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12:20 mye: can ragg use tokens make with the token-* functions made the define-tokens macro from parser-tools/lex?
12:20 mye: I'm not sure if the manual is just talking about the (position-token) or also the token- functions
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12:21 mye: Encountered unexpected token 'unknown-type ("#(struct:token NUM 5)")   is the error
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12:28 dyoo: mye: yikes, sorry, missed your message
12:30 dyoo: mye: Yikes.  ragg cannot at the moment.  I messed up there.  I'll add an item so that these too should be permissible.  I can fix that in a few minutes...
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12:34 danl-ndi: are startup.inc and cstartup.inc buildable on windows?
12:35 danl-ndi: or are the makefiles necessary... so really only under *nix..?
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12:36 dyoo: danl-ndi: unsure
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12:46 danl-ndi: do you know if there's a way to replace current-load/use-compiled at startup without rebuild executables?
12:47 jaimef: (define foo (read-json (open-input-file "node.json"))) ;; what class would foo be? also how could I inspect, iterate over elements of foo?
12:48 dyoo: jaimef: wouldn't the result depend on the content of node.json?
12:48 dyoo: jaimef: a json object has a described datatype.  Let me look it up...
12:48 jaimef: :D
12:48 jaimef: ignore the json specifics.
12:48 jaimef: trying to use racket for the first real project, something I do in ruby.
12:49 dyoo: jaimef: sure, but I think you have to inspect the value to walk through it
12:49 dyoo: according to http://docs.racket-lang.org/json/index.html#(def._((lib._json/main..rkt)._jsexpr~3f))
12:49 jaimef: should have been more specific. Trying to inspect the object
12:49 jaimef: thanks
12:49 dyoo: You can inspect using predicates like boolean?, string? hash?
12:50 jaimef: ok
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12:51 dyoo: mye: I've updated ragg on PLanet2 so it should also be able to handle the tokens that come out of parser-tools/lex.  https://github.com/dyoo/ragg/commit/ad1310621a6ca6c3e7d044efff1667b89f76db7d
12:51 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/b2sbst6
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12:55 dyoo: danl-ndi: ugh, 0 for 2 today.  Apologies: dunno about that one either.  You may want to ask the mailing list if you don't get an answer here.
12:56 danl-ndi: dyoo: yep I sent it out. thanks.
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16:12 dented42: The reference says about syntax->list "Returns a list of syntax objects or #f. The result is a list of syntax objects when (syntax->datum stx) would produce a list. In other words, syntax pairs in (syntax-e stx) are flattened." What does that mean? what does it mean by the syntax pairs being flattened?
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16:20 jonrafkind: I think it means that instead of (syntax-pair 1 2) you get (pair 1 2)
16:20 jonrafkind: so #'(1 2) is (syntax-pair 1 2)
16:20 jonrafkind: (syntax->list #'(1 2)) gives you back (pair (syntax 1) (syntax 2))
16:20 samth: no, it means you won't get: (cons #'1 #'(2 3))
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16:21 jonrafkind: i thought the term 'flattening' meant to get rid of inner nesting in lists
16:21 jonrafkind: ((1 2) (3 4)) -> (1 2 3 4)
16:22 samth: sometimes it does mean that
16:22 jonrafkind: absurd
16:22 samth: but in this case, it means the following:
16:22 dented42: but (syntax-e #'(1 2 3)) gives (list #'1 #'2 #'3) just as syntax->list does
16:22 samth: rudybot: init racket
16:22 rudybot: samth: your sandbox is ready
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16:23 samth: rudybot: eval (syntax-e (datum->syntax #f (cons #'1 #'(2 3)))
16:23 rudybot: samth: error: #<undefined>:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `('
16:23 samth: rudybot: eval (syntax-e (datum->syntax #f (cons #'1 #'(2 3))))
16:23 rudybot: samth: ; Value: (#<syntax:1:36 1> . #<syntax:1:40 (2 3)>)
16:23 samth: rudybot: eval (syntax->list (datum->syntax #f (cons #'1 #'(2 3))))
16:23 rudybot: samth: ; Value: (#<syntax:1:40 1> #<syntax:1:45 2> #<syntax:1:47 3>)
16:23 samth: note the difference between those two results
16:23 samth: dented42: see above
16:24 dented42: ah
16:24 jonrafkind: should be in the docs
16:24 samth: jonrafkind: you have commit access
16:24 jonrafkind: so do you
16:25 dented42: how does it know the difference between (datum->syntax #f (cons #'1 #'(2 3)) and (datum->syntax #f (list #'1 #'2 #'3)) ?
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16:26 jonrafkind: the cdr of (cons #'1 #'(2 3)) is #'(2 3) but the cdr of (list #'1 #'2 #'3) is (list #'2 #'3)
16:26 samth: dented42: syntax objects maintain the exact value passed in to `datum->syntax` -- that's what `syntax-e` produces
16:27 dented42: oh ok
16:27 dented42: that makes sense
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16:37 Cryovat: Doesn't Racket have a zip function? :o
16:38 jonrafkind: as in pkzip?
16:39 Cryovat: Looking for a function that takes two lists
16:39 Cryovat: And returns a pair with one item from each
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16:40 jonrafkind: well theres one in srf/1
16:40 jonrafkind: srfi/1
16:41 stamourv: rudybot: (define (zip . ls) (apply map list ls))
16:41 rudybot: stamourv: your sandbox is ready
16:41 rudybot: stamourv: Done.
16:41 stamourv: rudybot: (zip '((1 2 3) (4 5 6)))
16:41 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: (((1 2 3)) ((4 5 6)))
16:41 stamourv: rudybot: (zip '(1 2 3) (4 5 6))
16:41 rudybot: stamourv: error: procedure application: expected procedure, given: 4; arguments were: 5 6
16:41 stamourv: rudybot: (zip '(1 2 3) '(4 5 6))
16:41 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: ((1 4) (2 5) (3 6))
16:41 stamourv: Cryovat: ^
16:41 Cryovat: Thanks :)
16:42 stamourv: But I agree that it would be a useful shorthand.
16:43 Cryovat: What is the general view of using srfi's in Racket?
16:44 stamourv: `racket/X' is usually preferred.
16:44 stamourv: E.g. most of us would rather use `racket/list' than `srfi/1'.
16:45 stamourv: There are cases where some srfis provide things that Racket doesn't, though.
16:45 stamourv: But in general, I find that Racket's built-in libraries are higher-quality and better documented than SRFIs.
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17:27 greghendershott: I'm wondering is there a way I can make `dict` applicable?
17:28 greghendershott: I know I can wrap dicts in my own struct with a prop:procedure.
17:28 greghendershott: I was wondering if there's some way to magically do it for all dicts.
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17:28 greghendershott: (Or maybe even all generics, asumu?)
17:29 stamourv: greghendershott: You can redefine `#%app'.
17:29 greghendershott: Yep I tried that. Only downside is cost for all applications, to test for dict?
17:30 greghendershott: I could go with that approach.
17:31 greghendershott: In general I was thinking that if `dict` were applicable, and it were a case-lambda where (some-dict key) => dict-ref, and (some-dict k v) => dict-set
17:32 greghendershott: It would be more succinct working with hashes, vectors, lists, etc. all in one swell foop.
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17:32 stamourv: Clojure does that, IIRC.
17:32 greghendershott: Yes I'd read that awhile ago and it stuck with me. Sounds nice. In theory, anyway.
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17:35 dca: guys, what is /usr/bin/sake ?
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17:37 Cryovat: 2Google makes it sound like some php thing
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17:47 asumu: greghendershott: I can't think of a way to do that other than wrapping with your custom struct.
17:48 greghendershott: asumu: Ah OK.
17:48 asumu: I think that stamourv and I discussed this once and thought that a built-in `ref`, `set` interface that could work over dicts, and other datatypes could make it succinct without making everything a procedure.
17:48 asumu: e.g., (ref dict key), (set dict key)
17:48 asumu: (ref stream index)
17:49 greghendershott: OK, for code in general I suppose that's wiser.
17:49 greghendershott: For someone doing dict-heavy stuff (like a lot of web and JSON stuff), they could make their own analgesic.
17:50 greghendershott: ^ Local anesthetic. :)
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18:03 asumu: Yeah, Racket could be less verbose in places. I got annoyed doing struct-copy stuff.
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18:41 RacketCommitBot: racket/master f40ad2c Neil Toronto: `math/matrix' fixes; please merge to 5.3.2....
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20:31 Ymir: hi
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20:37 dyoo: Ymir: if you see this: hi as well.  :)
20:38 ymir: hi
20:38 dyoo: Ymir: have a question?
20:38 ymir: Yeah, I'm running debian on i386. how can i use DrRacket
20:38 ymir: ?
20:39 bremner: ymir: the package is called racket
20:39 dyoo: Let me see if I can find a .deb.  Does the ubuntu package work for you?
20:39 bremner: there are packages in Debian (I help maintain them)
20:40 dyoo: bremner: ah, cool, you can handle this question then.  ;)
20:40 bremner: ok ;)
20:40 bremner: ymir: what version of Debian are you running?
20:40 ymir: 6.0.6
20:41 bremner: hmm. backports.debian.org has 5.2.1; is that recent enough?
20:41 ymir: I suppose. I'm looking to run the MIT Scheme on there
20:42 bremner: I'm not sure what you mean; MIT scheme and Racket are essentially competitors.
20:42 ymir: you can run MIT Scheme on DrRacket
20:42 ymir: let me find it for you, just a second
20:42 bremner: oh, maybe sicp package?
20:43 ymir: thats right
20:43 bremner: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/ ?
20:43 ymir: that's the one
20:44 dyoo: Ymir: in that case, you're using Racket with this SICP package.  But don't confuse that with MIT Scheme: MIT Scheme is entirely separate implementation
20:44 ymir: you're right, sorry
20:44 dyoo: no problem!
20:44 bremner: ymir: I believe the racket from backports.debian.org should work OK for that
20:45 bremner: ymir: have you installed packages from backports before?
20:45 ymir: alright. what do I add to sources.list? http://backports.debian.org/debian?
20:45 ymir: bremner: i have not
20:46 bremner: ymir: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2
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20:46 bremner: that's the instructions
20:46 ymir: bremner: beautiful, thanks
20:46 dyoo: Cryovat: just commenting on your question on zip: Racket's iteration libraries cover this, in particular with the in-parallel form.
20:46 dyoo: example:
20:47 dyoo: rudybot: (for ([(x y) (in-parallel (list 1 2 3) "abc")]) (printf "~s ~s\n" x y))
20:47 rudybot: dyoo: your sandbox is ready
20:47 rudybot: dyoo: ; stdout: "1 #\\a\n2 #\\b\n3 #\\c\n"
20:48 ymir: bremner: that would be the dr racket, then? do i have to add non-free or contrib to the line?
20:49 bremner: no, racket is in main
20:49 bremner: try "apt-get install -t squeeze-backports racket"
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20:53 ymir: bremner: Why is the command more complex for backports?
20:54 bremner: ymir: basically so you don't automatically bring in backports for every package installed on your system.
20:54 ymir: right
20:54 ymir: what does -t mean? seen it before
20:55 dyoo: I'm assuming "man apt-get" should list a short summary of the options to the apt-get command, right?
20:55 bremner: yep. The idea is to take that package _and_ any dependencies from squeeze-backports
20:56 ymir: great, I'll try it out
20:58 ymir: Thanks for your help bremner
20:58 ymir: and dyoo
20:58 bremner: you're welcome. this is usually a helpful channel.
21:04 ymir: Can I run it outside the terminal as well?
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21:04 ymir: nevermind
21:05 ymir: my impatience got the best of me
21:05 ymir: sorry
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21:09 ymir: alright, it works now
21:10 ymir: take it easy, bye
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