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00:36 wkelly: yeah, I am a recent racket user and haven't been able to get into dr racket.  I like the HTDP content, but I miss my emacs
00:37 wkelly: I keep trying it, though, because I like the pictures :P
00:50 Sgeo: I had Emacs set up (for Clojure) on my Windows partition, but Windows hasn't been working lately so I've been using Linux but still haven't gotten Emacs really set up
00:55 Sgeo: What means are there for working with mutable data in a thread-safe way in Racket
00:55 Sgeo: Any locking mechanisms?
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01:00 wkelly: Sgeo: there are a few options.  http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/all-sync.html
01:01 wkelly: er
01:01 wkelly: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/threads.html#(part._threadsync)
01:01 Sgeo: :/
01:02 wkelly: it is not clojure
01:02 wkelly: hehe
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01:02 Sgeo: But it has lightweight threads
01:02 Sgeo: I want to be able to get a lot of use out of the lightweight threads
01:02 wkelly: Sgeo: I think using the thread mailboxes is the way
01:02 Sgeo: A partial reason to switch away from Clojure, I think >.>
01:03 wkelly: Sgeo: I am still a noob and don't do much concurrent programming
01:04 wkelly: when I do, I rarely have significant shared state
01:04 wkelly: so perhaps you should try asking again when there are more people around
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01:21 shriphani_: hi everyone. I am trying to run #lang web-server/insta in emacs with geiser and I get this: http://pastebin.ca/2298899 . Where is this insta.rkt on mac os x by default?
01:33 Sgeo_: In practice, how often can I use syntax-rules instead of needing to do something like syntax-case or start taking apart syntax objects?
01:33 Sgeo_: As in, how often do people generally find they can get away with syntax-rules for their needs
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02:00 jonrafkind: 46.2%
02:04 Sgeo_: ...?
02:04 Sgeo_: Not sure whether to take that as sarcasm or actually running a program to find uses of syntax-rules-ish stuff vs other stuff
02:06 jonrafkind: don't worry about syntax-rules vs syntax-case. just use whatever wroks
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02:14 asumu: shriphani_: what's the content of a.rkt?
02:14 shriphani_: asumu: the racket web-server tutorial at http://docs.racket-lang.org/continue/
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02:17 shriphani_: i don't really mind using Dr. Racket but it is no emacs.
02:17 asumu: I'm guessing it's a geiser issue, since I can't reproduce it with xrepl's ,enter.
02:19 asumu: Or maybe you can try running racket from the commandline and see if it errors there too.
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02:33 shriphani_: asumu you use xrepl from within emacs ?
02:33 shriphani_: i.e. spin up a shell and then xrepl ?
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02:49 Sgeo_: Will the Swindle documentation problem ever be fixed?
02:49 Sgeo_: The Swindle page on the Racket site says to go to Barzilay's page, and Barzilay points back to PLT Scheme
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02:52 asumu: shriphani_: hmm, I get the same error on Linux actually (just installed geiser)
02:52 asumu: So I think it's a geiser issue.
02:52 shriphani_: ah
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02:58 flying_rhino: hello
02:58 flying_rhino: hello guys
03:00 Sgeo_: hi
03:01 flying_rhino: Has anyone watched Steve Yegge on Grok project? He had a presentation about that a few days back?
03:03 flying_rhino: I bring it up because it is relevant for racket compiler
03:03 flying_rhino: do you know why?
03:04 asumu: No, why?
03:06 flying_rhino: in short Grok project is a titanic project designed to make source code, (all source code of all languages) searchable. Not searchable like Google search (where you enter some prase and it finds stuff that roughly fits), but more like wikipedia (you search for certain function or class or variable and it finds where it is used)
03:07 flying_rhino: The goal is to make that information available for IDEs so you can have universal IDE as a client.
03:07 flying_rhino: But for it to work, compiler must first compile code in special mode that outputs code in some kind of annotated AST from
03:08 flying_rhino: They already got plenty of compiler writers on board with the project
03:09 flying_rhino: they been working on it for some time
03:11 flying_rhino: Steve Yegge's grand goal is to make it easy to create quality tools for languages that don't have them. So you won't have to always pick Java, C# and C++ just because those languages usually have better toolchain.
03:12 flying_rhino: I am not compiler writer myself, but maybe those who are should step up and help him. Coz I had it with Java having all the cool stuff.
03:13 willem: flying_rhino: do you have a link to some presentation material (slideshow, video, ...)?
03:13 flying_rhino: it's on youtube
03:13 flying_rhino: just search for steve yegge grok
03:13 willem: flying_rhino: thx
03:15 willem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJs-0EInW8
03:15 flying_rhino: yeah that's the one
03:20 Sgeo_: flying_rhino, I take it that it will never work for Tcl :(
03:23 Sgeo_: Tcl is very eval based. If you want to write your own if, for example, you take blocks of code as strings then conditionally eval (actually uplevel, but that's a sort of eval) them
03:23 flying_rhino: they are trying to get interpreter writers on board too
03:24 flying_rhino: idea is to run code in special mode and then create annotated tree
03:24 flying_rhino: but tey are still far from that
03:24 asumu: flying_rhino: probably worth bringing up on the Racket mailing list. Not many people here work on the compiler part.
03:24 flying_rhino: but they are implementing support for macros
03:25 flying_rhino: so you can "expand" macro from your IDE
03:26 flying_rhino: asumu: can you do that? I never post there. Just browsed it couple of times.
03:32 flying_rhino: (If you don't want to I can do that easily, but I never hang there)
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03:55 flying_rhino: how quickly posts show up on mailing list archive http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@racket-lang.org/maillist.html ? Same day or the day after? I am not subscribed there.
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04:07 flying_rhino: my connection died
04:08 flying_rhino: so guys, are you going to bring this up on the mailing list or am I going to do that?
04:09 Sgeo_: I don't think anyone responded
04:11 flying_rhino: Anyway Steve Yegge has always been great advocate of less popular languages (including LISP), especially those that are partially dynamic, so I think we should support this effort.
04:11 Sgeo_: "A Scheme -to- syntax-rules compiler"
04:11 Sgeo_: Oleg is always awesome
04:11 Fare: Oleg is beyond awesome. He's mindboggling.
04:12 flying_rhino: who on earth is he?
04:13 flying_rhino: and how much beyond awesome :) ?
04:14 Sgeo_: http://okmij.org/ftp/
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04:15 flying_rhino: thanks
04:15 Sgeo_: You're welcome
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04:31 flying_rhino: there was also another video by Steve Yegge on static analysis a few years back (right when they got started with this thing) but it got lost when google videos closed.
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06:17 anonymous: Hello everyone
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06:18 anonymous: Can I discuss documentation here?
06:18 anonymous: typos, changes etc.
06:18 anonymous: the*
06:19 asumu: anonymous: sure
06:20 asumu: shriphani_: turns out I didn't get the same error. The example worked for me in geiser. Does your Racket distribution not include the web-server by any chance?
06:20 shriphani_: I am able to use it from Dr. Racket
06:20 asumu: Hmm, that's odd.
06:30 Sgeo_: Sure that Geiser and DrRacket are using the same Racket install?
06:31 Sgeo_ is just guessing
06:33 anonymous: Each binding clause is an ‹id› and a ‹expr› surrounded by square brackets
06:34 anonymous: a expr
06:34 anonymous: : grammar error
06:34 anonymous: http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/syntax-overview.html
06:34 anonymous: grammatical*
06:35 anonymous: (sorry, English is not my native)
06:37 anonymous: (but I'm going to work hard with English grammar, I haven't complete it all, though)
06:38 anonymous: I have posted the mistake here: have I done enough? Is it going to be corrected?
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06:41 anonymous feels sad that he has started to talk here with mistakes
06:41 anonymous: So, is there anyone here who looks in the chat?
06:43 anonymous: Boo :(
06:43 Sgeo_: hi
06:43 anonymous: Hi!
06:43 Sgeo_: I'm not really a person in position to fix documentation mistakes, though
06:43 Sgeo_: Although I am someone who just complains about them in channel and hopes for the best lol
06:44 anonymous: :))
06:44 anonymous: Also,
06:45 anonymous: Ah, nevermind yet.
06:45 anonymous: I have just started to read the reference
06:45 anonymous: Racket evaluation can be viewed as the simplification of expressions to obtain values.
06:46 anonymous: The word "simplification" a bit irritates me because of ambiguity. It is explained, but I maybe it can be formulated much better.
06:47 anonymous: Probably, it is only me, and maybe even just yet.
06:47 anonymous: It is explained, but... it can be better.
06:47 anonymous: .
06:48 anonymous: Maybe someone thinks just the same...
06:49 anonymous: "simplification" is the awful word here.
06:55 anonymous: Is there anyone who thinks different about it here?
06:56 anonymous: from me?
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07:13 asumu: anonymous: "simplification" is a commonly used term in arithmetic/math, so it's probably trying to reference that.
07:13 asumu: You can just replace "simplification" with "reduction" if it suits you (though I don't really see how that's clearer).
07:14 asumu: I'll fix the a/an typo.
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07:28 asumu: anonymous: fixed, thanks for the report
07:30 anonymous: asumu: Thank you very much for the answer about simplificaton/reduction and the fixing
07:31 anonymous: Not at all!
07:37 asumu: anonymous: also, if the channel is quiet (it's often quiet during US night hours) feel free to submit bugs to the bug tracker: http://bugs.racket-lang.org/
07:37 asumu: (or through DrRacket)
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07:51 anonymous: Ok
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08:02 Sgeo_: Can I have a piece of syntax f such that (a b c f g) is transformed by f?
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09:16 chandler: Sgeo_: you could do it in a custom #lang by having #%app check for some specific syntactic property of f, but I don't think there's a way to do that in #lang racket.
09:19 Sgeo_: I don't think I actually need that ability, as it turns out (although it would be nice)
09:19 Sgeo_: Do have bigger concerns though
09:20 Sgeo_: Want something like dynamic scoping except with things in other threads or running after the dynamic extent has ended still able to see the value
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09:36 Sgeo_: Swindle seriously needs up-to-date documentation
09:37 Sgeo_: Unless http://www.barzilay.org/Swindle/ is actually up-to-date despite it saying otherwise?
09:38 soegaard: Sgeo_: Was it you that where interested in bigfloats?
09:38 soegaard: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/math/bigfloat.html
09:38 Sgeo_: soegaard, probably not
09:39 Sgeo_: Oh, I might have accidentally made it seem like I was. I was interested in arbitrary extension of the numeric tower
09:39 soegaard: Okay.
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09:45 Sgeo_: soegaard, and also, computable reals
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10:30 willem: Is it possible in Redex to specify specific numbers in a grammar? So instead of (v number) something like (v 1 2 3) ?
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11:29 stamourv: mithos28: pong
11:29 stamourv: Replying to your email.
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15:05 danl-ndi: is there a way to configure error-print-context-length on the command line?
15:12 danl-ndi: also, is anyone familiar enough with the trace module to help with this error:
15:12 danl-ndi: collects\racket\private\qq-and-or.rkt:144:51: compile: cannot use identifier tainted by macro transformation in: let-values
15:13 danl-ndi: I get it require-ing my module after require-ing trace
15:13 soegaard: that is one strange error
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15:18 danl-ndi: yep.
15:18 danl-ndi: what's the correct way to trace a specific function?
15:20 soegaard: I always use DrRacket. If the stack trace isn't enough to find the mistake, I use displayln to print variables.
15:20 soegaard: I never use trace.
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15:48 stamourv: danl-ndi: Can you post your code, or a simplified version of it?
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15:48 stamourv: Seems you're trying to do something funny with the input of your macros to hit that error message.
15:49 stamourv: Are you trying to `trace' something from another module?
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16:18 klr: how do i compile racket without dr racket and all that?
16:24 stamourv: klr: There are multiple ways.
16:24 stamourv: The easiest is probably to get the racket-textual distribution.
16:25 stamourv: If you want to compile it yourself, you can to `make' and `make plain-install', which doesn't build the Racket libraries (which includes DrRacket).
16:25 stamourv: On that's done, you can compile the libraries you want.
16:25 stamourv: s/On/Once/
16:27 klr: okey
16:27 klr: thanks
16:27 stamourv: No problem!
16:27 stamourv: If you have any questions, just ask!
16:27 klr: how do i now install the libraries?
16:28 stamourv: `raco setup foo', where foo is the library you want.
16:28 stamourv: `make plain-install' should install the `raco' executable.
16:28 stamourv: IIRC, at least. If not, there are other ways.
16:29 klr: i dont think so
16:29 klr: hmm, well, does the "make uninstall" removes everything?
16:30 klr: i maybe just do make install and then i've read HTDPe2 i just uninstall everything
16:31 stamourv: By default, Racket installations are self-contained. You can just delete the whole directory.
16:32 klr: okey
16:32 stamourv: If you configured it with a prefix, I think it installs an uninstaller in $PREFIX/bin.
16:32 stamourv: But I'm not sure. I usually do self-contained installs.
16:32 klr: i did make --prefix=/usr
16:32 anonymous: Where can I find the rules of this channel?
16:33 stamourv: klr: Ah, then in that case you may need the uninstaller.
16:33 stamourv: Lemme check if the installer does indeed install one.
16:33 stamourv: anonymous: What do you mean?
16:34 anonymous: stamourv: Sometimes channel have rules: i.e. can I talk here about not racket? Must I behave according to the Raymond's rules of asking etc
16:34 klr: stamourv: oh :( eh i hope i can find one then, cause i dont like having unused files all around my system
16:35 anonymous: about things that aren't related to racket at all*
16:35 stamourv: klr: `racket-uninstall' should be generated in $PREFIX/bin
16:35 anonymous: (almost?) :)
16:35 stamourv: Just checked the installer source.
16:35 anonymous: Can I use taboo words here etc.
16:36 stamourv: anonymous: AFAIK, we don't have specific rules. But general guidelines of polite society do apply. ;)
16:36 stamourv: As long as you respect other users, and keep the conversation reasonably on-topic, you should be fine.
16:38 klr: may i ask, is Racket a general implementation of Scheme or is it mostly designed for learning?
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16:39 anonymous: stamourv: Thanks!
16:39 stamourv: klr: Racket is a general purpose programming language which is a descendent of Scheme.
16:40 stamourv: It includes teaching languages, but the main Racket language `#lang racket' is used in production.
16:41 stamourv: Racket has a large standard library (which includes a web server, pattern matching, etc.), and a lot of 3rd party packages available, on PLaneT, github, etc.
16:41 stamourv: Some of the channel regulars are professional Racket programmers.
16:42 klr: okey thanks
16:45 klr: will HTDPe2 teach me Racket or just the teaching language?
16:45 stamourv: HTDP uses the teaching languages.
16:46 stamourv: But once you understand the basics, picking up Racket should not be too hard.
16:46 stamourv: The Racket docs include several tutorials, and the Racket Guide (also in the docs) is a pretty good introduction.
16:46 stamourv: What's your programming background?
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16:47 klr: ive tried learning many times, but i've never really learned how to program and not a complete language just the very basic syntax
16:48 stamourv: In that case, I recommend starting with HTDP 2e, then the Racket Guide and tutorials.
16:48 stamourv: I really like HTDP 2e as a first programming introduction.
16:49 stamourv: There's also Realm of Racket coming out in a couple of months, which looks pretty cool.
16:49 klr: okey nice, ill add #racket to my channels
16:50 stamourv: :D
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16:50 klr: ive played around a little bit with Scheme recently, i've tried to read SICP and have read a little bit in The Little Schemer, but SICP is too advanced for me even though it's a very well written text
16:50 stamourv: I'm not a big fan of SICP, to be honest.
16:51 klr: why not?
16:51 stamourv: As an intro to programming, it leaves way too much implicit. Students are forced to fill in the gaps, which makes it hard to follow in places.
16:51 stamourv: As an advanced programming textbook, it doesn't go into enough depth into the topics it covers (interpreters, etc.).
16:52 klr: okey
16:52 klr: it's intended for MIT students
16:52 stamourv: So basically, it tries to be both introductory and advanced at the same time, which doesn't work.
16:52 stamourv: It is, and it probably worked fine there.
16:53 stamourv: But I personally prefer the combo of HTDP + PLAI.
16:53 klr: what's PLAI?
16:53 stamourv: Programming Languages: Application and Interpretation.
16:53 klr: oh, is it another MIT book?
16:53 stamourv: It's a freely available programming languages textbook.
16:54 stamourv: It's from Shriram, at Brown.
16:54 klr: okey
16:54 klr: just finished installing Racket, gonna try write fibonacci :-)
16:54 stamourv: It's not really a programming textbook, but it covers the advanced topics from SICP (much better, IMO), and goes way further.
16:54 bremner: shriram's video lectures are on line too, and they're quite good.
16:55 stamourv: (It's also more up to date, SICP really shows its age in places.)
16:55 stamourv: Yeah, I've enjoyed them a lot.
16:55 klr: okey, ill read HTDPe2 first, then Racket guides, try to write some simple programs and then read PLAI?
16:55 stamourv: Gregor Kiczales (University of British Colombia) will be giving an HTDP-based course on coursera in a couple of months. That sounds really cool.
16:56 stamourv: klr: Sounds like a good plan!
16:56 klr: :-)
16:56 stamourv: And feel free to ask any questions here.
16:56 klr: thanks
16:56 stamourv: The channel can be a bit quiet at certain times of the day, though.
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16:57 klr: well, then i probably can ask #programming or #chicken
16:58 klr: is fibonacci a tree recursive funtion?
16:58 stamourv: Depends on how you write it. ;)
16:58 asumu: https://twitter.com/ClojureWest/status/286921638249906176
16:58 stamourv: The straightforward definition is.
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16:59 stamourv: asumu: :D
16:59 klr: (define (fib n) (cond ((= n 0) 0) ((= n 1) 1) (else (+ (fib (- n 1)) (fib (- n 2))))))
17:01 klr: well, good night foks'
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17:12 samth: asumu: are you back in this time zone?
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17:20 asumu: samth: not yet.
17:21 anonymous: Is Racket good for virtual reality/games?
17:22 anonymous: Is it going to?
17:22 anonymous: (if not yet)
17:24 stamourv: Naughty Dog Games uses Racket.
17:24 anonymous: (if speed doesn't matter)
17:24 stamourv: And jeapostrophe build games in Racket.
17:25 stamourv: Also, the upcoming Realm of Racket book is about learning Racket by writing games.
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17:31 anonymous: stamourv: thank you very much! What about OpenGL technology? ( I the tutorial, but it's for very old version )
17:31 anonymous: i saw a tutorial*
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17:33 stamourv: I haven't used Racket's opengl bindings, but IIRC, there are some bindings in the standard library, and some on PLaneT.
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17:36 anonymous: stamourv: Thank you very much!
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17:56 Nimonicus: Hello all
17:56 anonymous: Hi
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18:22 Nimonicus: Is it possible to use a macro to fill in the body of a lambda with code that references the lambda's arguments?
18:23 mithos28: Nimonicus: yes, just pass in the arguments to the macro
18:23 Nimonicus: Would you take a look at an example i wrote up? http://pastebin.com/bwu5KD3t
18:24 jonrafkind: you have to pass 'function-to-call' to the macro
18:25 jonrafkind: i guess you could use syntax-parameters here
18:25 Nimonicus: and also pass in arg1 arg2?
18:25 jonrafkind: yea
18:26 jonrafkind: any identifiers introduced by the macro are different from identifiers that are used in the macro call, even if they have the same name
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18:29 Nimonicus: so what would be the proper way to access a macro parameter in the body of the lambda
18:29 Nimonicus: since internal-constant is used by the lambda
18:29 jonrafkind: in your use case I would use syntax-parameters
18:30 Nimonicus: I'll read up on them more
18:30 Nimonicus: Thank you
18:31 jonrafkind: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2011/04/writing-syntax-case-macros.html
18:31 jonrafkind: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2008/02/dirty-looking-hygiene.html
18:31 jonrafkind: these might help you too
18:33 Sgeo_: jonrafkind, maybe you can help me
18:33 Sgeo_: I want to write a macro, with-foo, that, within with-foo, foo is lexically defined
18:33 Sgeo_: But I also want to call functions within this body
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18:34 Sgeo_: And outside of the with-foo, I want to be able to, within the functions that I call, also have foo lexically defined
18:34 Sgeo_: Sort of a dynamic scope but without the issues that come up when they're stored and run later and the dynamic binding is no longer present
18:35 jonrafkind: sounds like another use case for syntax-parameters
18:35 Sgeo_: Hmm, how so?
18:35 Sgeo_: Wouldn't that only define foo within with-foo, but not outside of with-foo's lexical scope?
18:35 jonrafkind: do you want to bind foo outside with-foo and have its value propagate to foo's inside with-foo?
18:36 Sgeo_: (I'm fine with there being another form with-ability-to-use-foo surrounding my external function, but not with define-foo-using-function
18:36 Sgeo_: Hmm, not sure
18:36 jonrafkind: if you want the value to change at runtime then its a use of regular parameters
18:36 Sgeo_: Maybe a concrete example of what I want to do would help
18:37 jonrafkind: and with-foo sounds like it would just expand to (parameterize ([foo 12]) ...)
18:39 Sgeo_: The problem with regular parameters is that, as far as I understand, if I call a function that uses them within the lexical but outside the dynamic scope of the parameterize, they won't see the parameterized values
18:39 Sgeo_: Say, I take a function that's supposed to see this and set it as a callback to some GUI thing
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19:05 Sgeo_: Hmm. I should practice writing a macro-writing macro
19:10 Sgeo_: Oh, identifier macros are what I was asking about before, I guess, with the (a b c d e f g) taken control  by f thing
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19:25 Sgeo_: Is there a built in function f such that, if g is a function, (f g) is effectively g except with parameters such as they were when f was called?
19:25 Sgeo_: Or something along those lines?
19:29 asumu: Sgeo_: that seems like it defeats the entire point of using parameters. Do you have a use case for this?
19:29 asumu: (i.e., if you don't actually want dynamic scoping you can just use lexically scoped references instead)
19:30 Sgeo_: I can't use lexical scoping because I want to write functions that use these things outside of the lexical scope in which they are set
19:31 Sgeo_: Hrm, had an interesting thought
19:32 Sgeo_: My main objection to the clojure.algo.monads way of doing things (providing a defmonadfn that makes a function that takes extra arguments) is that it's not very composable. What if I have different use cases for similar structures, and what if I want to write a lambda
19:32 Sgeo_: But I could make a macro or function (not sure) that wraps a lambda, and maybe a define-function-with-wrapper form that takes several wrappers and otherwise acts like define's shortcut syntax
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20:00 Sgeo_: Has anyone looked into implementing Kernel as a Racket language?
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20:02 jonrafkind: whats kernel
20:03 Sgeo_: http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~jshutt/kernel.html
20:04 Sgeo_: No special forms. fexprs, that somehow do lexical scoping I think
20:05 jonrafkind: i dunno whats the point
20:06 Sgeo_: First-class macro-like things, no special forms
20:06 Sgeo_: Things like that
20:06 Sgeo_: Hmm, maybe "no special forms"... well, there are primitives
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20:39 asumu: Darn. Clojure/West is in March when I'm busy. Otherwise I might have considered going for Matthew's talk since it's in Portland.
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22:05 Twey: Is there a multiset in Racket?
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22:10 mithos28: http://planet.racket-lang.org/package-source/soegaard/galore.plt/4/2/bag.ss
22:10 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/auphobu
22:15 Nimonicus: is there a naming convention for syntax-parameters?
22:19 Twey: Ah, thanks!
22:19 mithos28: Nimonicus: nope, they aren't used all that often, so the names are just what make sense for the use
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22:32 Nimonicus: mithos28: Thanks, I finally started figuring out how they work
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