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00:40 mithos28: Is there a rule on when a function should end in '!'?
00:41 Nisstyre: mithos28: when it mutates something
00:41 mithos28: Why do the channel operations not meet that?
00:42 Nisstyre: I'm not familiar with that part of Racket
00:42 Nisstyre: but are you sure it's not a "functional update" ?
00:42 Nisstyre: i.e. it returns a copy?
00:42 mithos28: yes
00:42 Nisstyre: then idk
00:42 Nisstyre: oh wait channels, yeah I never used that part of the threading api
00:43 Nisstyre: but I do know that processes aren't allowed to mutate global state
00:43 Nisstyre: or shouldn't
00:46 mithos28: what do you mean global state? box-set! doesn't mutate global state any more than channels do
00:46 Nisstyre: mithos28: I know, I wasn't sure what operations you were referring to though
00:47 Nisstyre: mithos28: anyway, there's no requirement that a procedure that mutates something should have ! suffixed, it's just a convention
00:47 mithos28: Right thats what I'm asking about
00:47 Nisstyre: and -put is just as good imo
00:47 mithos28: well another interesting case is in the case of ports
00:48 Nisstyre: mithos28: why is that?
00:48 mithos28: read-bytes vs read-bytes!
00:49 Nisstyre: mithos28: the second one mutates something
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00:50 mithos28: so does the first
00:50 mithos28: It mutates the state of the port
00:51 Nisstyre: mithos28: yes but that's somewhat different from the kind of mutation most ! procedures have
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00:51 Nisstyre: namely, we're not reassigning something that was defined
00:52 Nisstyre: it makes sense if you think about it for a while
00:53 Nisstyre: mithos28: if the rule were "put ! at the end of side-effecty procedures" then you'd be right
00:55 cipher: technically isn't copying a side effect? depending on your terminology. just playing devil's advocate ;P
00:56 mithos28: cipher: What do you mean copying?
00:56 cipher: returning a copy instead of mutation
00:56 Nisstyre: cipher: memory management doesn't count
00:56 cipher: it's changing the state of something!
00:57 mithos28: cipher: Its not observable in the core language
00:57 cipher: what about when memory runs out
00:57 mithos28: cipher: No such thing in the language. Implementations are just flawed.
00:58 cipher: tell that to a real program
01:00 mithos28: You just need a real computer, ie a turing machine
01:00 cipher: when you find one let me know
01:01 cipher: you can have all my money
01:04 cipher: this is the closest I've seen :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY
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09:14 jeapostrophe: asumu_: the pfds package's info.rkt needs to be a different place if you want the scribblings to be built, before info files in the collection root don't get read by setup
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10:54 greghendershott: https://gist.github.com/4346071 is a draft of a short guide to Git workflow for new/casual contributors. Very much want anyone's corrections or feedback.
10:56 samth: greghendershott: looks great
10:56 samth: i'd change all the places you write PLT to Racket
10:56 greghendershott: samth: Thanks. I meant the "PLT" places to refer to the GitHub account named PLT
10:56 greghendershott: But I'll double-check.
10:57 greghendershott: Understand what you mean.
10:57 samth: oh, then you should format them as `plt/racket`
10:57 greghendershott: OK
10:58 samth: but where you say "PLT master branch" i think "Racket master branch" is more accurate, since the PLT acct has other repos
10:58 samth: greghendershott: also, for fancier formatting: http://www.gist.io/4346071
10:59 greghendershott: samth: oh wow, I didn't know about that.
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10:59 samth: it's not affiliated with github, just a cool webapp someone created
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11:00 greghendershott: Hmm I kind of prefer the old style. This is very Garamond-y and big. Although maybe more mobile-readable. Anyway, neat option.
11:01 greghendershott: Although if gist.io is powered by Racket then I take that back, it looks 100x better. :)
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11:04 samth: greghendershott: no -- powered by python, it seems
11:04 samth: :)
11:07 soegaard: greghendershott In the case where you *did* make a change to the master branch. How do you fix it?
11:10 greghendershott: soegaard: I had merged one of my topic branches onto my master. Plus I had a bunch of merge commits from the resulting non-fast-forward pulls.
11:10 greghendershott: I was ready this morning to declare git bankruptcy, nuke the repo, and refork.
11:10 greghendershott: But since I was ready to do that, I felt brave enough to try rebasing my master on upstream/master.
11:10 greghendershott: And that worked.
11:11 soegaard: Is it possible to rename a branch? (And then make a new master)
11:11 greghendershott: `git rebase -i upstream/master`, simply delete the commit lines, and continue
11:11 greghendershott: I wondered about that. But since I was ready to throw it all away, I tried the rebase.
11:12 greghendershott: soegaard: ^ I wondered about renaming, and trying to create a new master.
11:13 greghendershott: I assumed that would go horribly wrong somehow if `master` were "special", so ...
11:14 soegaard: I think the master name is merely convention.
11:15 greghendershott: What I might add to the guide (if I can give the correct advice), is what to do when a pull request isn't accepted — quickly, or ever — but you like what you did and want it in your own Racket build (or _a_ build).
11:15 greghendershott: And I think the advice is, don't use `master` for that
11:15 greghendershott: make some other branch like `my-build`
11:16 greghendershott: IIUC ?
11:16 soegaard: It is just so easy to forget, that it would be nice if there were a recipe to fix it.
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11:17 soegaard: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1526794/rename-remote-git-branch
11:17 soegaard: Is close
11:17 soegaard: Also: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7084273/renaming-remote-git-branch
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11:18 soegaard: But is is more difficult than I thought it would be.
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11:46 greghendershott: I made a bunch of revs to https://gist.github.com/4346071 including some screen shots and samth's suggestions. I added advice about a my-build branch. I'm going to let it sit for awhile. Still welcome anyone's critiques. Thanks.
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11:58 samth: greghendershott: also, you should consider putting that in a CONTRIBUTING file in the repo
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14:23 asumu_: jeapostrophe: thanks, I'll fix that.
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14:27 asumu: greghendershott: Great guide! When you suggest using -f, you might suggest caution since it's history destroying. I usually use it in conjunction with -n to make sure I'm not doing anything silly.
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14:29 asumu: (good advice on topic branches too... I am guilty of often not following it and mucking up my master)
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14:32 greghendershott: asumu: I suggested -f in case someone had already pushed their topic branch to their forked repo on GitHub, e.g. for "backup"., before they squashed/rebased commits to make the pull request.
14:33 greghendershott: If they squash/rebase down to one commit, they can't push that without -f (AFIK).
14:33 greghendershott: And I think you on the receiving end wants things squashed/based properly. :)
14:34 greghendershott: So I wanted them not to give up.
14:34 greghendershott: But I'll revise re -n, and emphasize that -f will lose history, even if in this case it's on purpose and desirable to lose it.
14:34 greghendershott: Thanks!
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15:24 danl-ndi: can anyone point me to the source for equal-hash-code?   part of racket hash tables
15:25 danl-ndi: or tell my (equal-hash-code '((a 1) (b 2))) would give different results on windows vs linux ... both 32bit
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15:27 danl-ndi: rudybot: 1
15:27 rudybot: danl-ndi: your sandbox is ready
15:27 rudybot: danl-ndi: ; Value: 1
15:27 danl-ndi: rudybot: (equal-hash-code 'a)
15:27 rudybot: danl-ndi: ; Value: 48576
15:28 danl-ndi: rudybot: (equal-hash-code 'a)
15:28 rudybot: danl-ndi: ; Value: 48576
15:28 danl-ndi: rudybot: (equal-hash-code 'b)
15:28 rudybot: danl-ndi: ; Value: 10210
15:28 danl-ndi: rudybot: (equal-hash-code 'c)
15:28 rudybot: danl-ndi: ; Value: 3166
15:28 danl-ndi: rudybot: (equal-hash-code 'd)
15:28 rudybot: danl-ndi: ; Value: 91741
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15:35 soegaard: danl-ndi: https://github.com/plt/racket/blob/master/src/racket/src/hash.c
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15:37 danl-ndi: soegaard: yep. the bad news in there is that it uses the pointers so the same list will hash to different values on different invocations
15:38 danl-ndi: might there be any hash that uses values, so is consistent across invocations?
15:39 shakes808: I have been looking for a way to compose an email with hyperlinks in it. I found how to make a website but I need to do it through outlook or an email friendly way. Anyone have any idea how to do this?
15:39 soegaard: That doesn's sound right. From the docs:   "for any two calls with equal? values, the returned number is the same."
15:41 soegaard: danl-ndi: You mean on the same equal list on different systems.
15:41 danl-ndi: soegaard: yeah somethings off. I have (equal-hash-code 'b) and (equal-hash-code 'c) both yielding 3363 on 32bit racket on windows
15:42 danl-ndi: soegaard: yes that too. regardless of host platform or invocation... true idempotence
15:42 soegaard: They give 3236 9539 on OS X 64 bit.
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15:44 danl-ndi: yeah rudybot seems find. although 'b give 10210 on rudybot, different than your system
15:45 danl-ndi: need something that just looks at content, not memory locations
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15:50 soegaard: And cross platform?
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15:50 soegaard: I don't think hash-equal-code uses memory locations.
15:51 soegaard: Or… Actually 'b is interned so it the pointer can be used.
15:51 soegaard: … so the pointer to it can be used.
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16:31 greghendershott: danl-ndi: I don't think equal-hash-code is intended to be used for serialization, persistence, cross-platform. You could use something like SHA-1 instead?
16:32 greghendershott: http://docs.racket-lang.org/openssl/index.html
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16:35 greghendershott: Or more flavors of SHA: http://planet.racket-lang.org/display.ss?package=sha.plt&owner=gh or http://planet.racket-lang.org/display.ss?package=crypto.plt&owner=vyzo
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16:58 danl-ndi: greghendershott: k I'll take a look. I need to operate on arbitrary racket values... at least most of them
17:03 greghendershott: Maybe also see serialization: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/serialization.html ?
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