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00:30 mye: I want to rebind c:p to mean put-previous-sexp
00:31 mye: (keybinding "c:p" (λ (editor evt) (send editor put-previous-sexp)))
00:39 mye: solved using rebind example from the docs.
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04:55 cky: .oO(Also, I wonder if it's possible to do forward declarations (especially for pointer types) in the Racket FFI.
04:56 cky: )
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09:46 jtpercon: RacketCon video G+ Hangout: https://plus.google.com/116654780588073821102/
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09:52 jrslepak: how does this "G+ Hangout" thing work?
09:52 jrslepak: and why do I have 3 notifications already?
09:53 mithos28: It look like their were technical difficulties, since there is a hangout that is over that had no video
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09:58 mithos28: there is a new one which has video
09:58 jrslepak: ah, here we go   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUTAMBS76o
09:59 jtpercon: oh youtube, cool
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10:03 mithos28: I don't know if people at the con are watching IRC but the video is good for me
10:03 asumu: mithos28: yeah some of us are
10:07 asumu: FYI: if IRC people have questions, we can relay them.
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10:10 eli: http://cs.utah.edu/plt/scratchy
10:11 asumu: You need the www too: http://www.cs.utah.edu/plt/scratchy/
10:11 jtpercon: wait so what do I do with a .plt file?
10:11 eli: Ah.
10:11 eli: jtpercon: File -> install .plt -> web -> enter the urrrl
10:11 eli: (orr the file)
10:12 jtpercon: oh, actually I just clicked on it and it gave me an option to install
10:12 jtpercon: thanks though
10:12 eli: On windows you can just clicccck it....
10:12 jtpercon: I'm on Mac OS
10:12 eli knows not Apple stuffs
10:14 Cryovat: I wish I could have been there, good luck with the convention
10:15 eli: Cryovat: You've seen the link, right?
10:15 eli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUTAMBS76o
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10:16 Cryovat: Yeah, I'm watching it
10:17 mithos28: Can someone add that to the channel info, like the irc logs link
10:17 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://plus.google.com/116654780588073821102/posts/4fG5ZnmeuLs
10:17 samth: mithos28, your wish is my command :)
10:17 eli: samth: Use the youtube thing.
10:18 samth: Everyone: if you're watching the hangout, feel free to ask questions in IRC and we'll ask them in the room
10:18 Cryovat: It's impossible to read the screen :(
10:18 samth: eli, what's the link
10:18 eli: At least here there was confusion when they thought that the youtube link is not the live thing
10:18 mithos28: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zYUTAMBS76o
10:18 eli: s/feature=...//
10:18 eli: (No need for that)
10:19 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUTAMBS76o
10:19 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUTAMBS76o -- ask questions here!
10:27 asumu: Anyone get an error from pin-balloon?
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10:32 didi: Is there a way to know if a script is being run? The thing is that I like to (enter! ...) modules and the "module" is also a runnable script. So, if I have a form like (run) at the bottom, when I "enter" it, it is run, which is not what I want.
10:33 mithos28: didi: You can use a main submodule
10:33 mithos28: Which is run when you run it as a script, but not if you use it as a library
10:34 didi: mithos28: Nice. I'll look into it. Thanks.
10:39 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUTAMBS76o -- software at http://www.cs.utah.edu/plt/scratchy/ -- ask questions here!
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10:46 didi: Sweet. (module+ main ...) ftw.
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10:57 Cryovat: Regarding the live stream
10:58 Cryovat: Would it be possible to make the screen readable?
10:59 mithos28: It might be possible to stream the screen, by having the presenter's computer join the hangout
10:59 Cryovat: http://i.imgur.com/4LeWP.png
10:59 Cryovat: This is what it looks like to me :(
10:59 mithos28: about the same for me
10:59 samth: Cryovat, yeah, we know
10:59 samth: we're trying to figure out how to improve it
11:00 mithos28: Did you do something because it just cut out for me
11:00 Cryovat: Cut here too
11:00 samth: oh, ok
11:00 samth: i'll check
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11:01 mithos28: looks like it might be on Google's end
11:02 mye: there isn't a link to the stream on http://con.racket-lang.org/
11:02 mye: where is it?
11:02 Cryovat: Nor is there one on the racket-lang.org frontpage
11:02 asumu: mye: see IRC topic (though it may be down at the moment)
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11:03 asumu: https://t.co/MLChOuYm
11:03 mye: asumu: doh :)
11:03 asumu: We're recording a higher-quality video which will be up later oto.
11:03 asumu: *too
11:03 jrslepak: oh good
11:03 Cryovat: Does that include screen capture?
11:03 samth: Cryovat, no, sadly it doesn't
11:04 samth: is the video working again?
11:04 samth: i tried to reset it
11:04 jrslepak: I still get the "we'll be right back" screen
11:04 mye: same
11:04 samth: ugh
11:04 mithos28: it looks like you ended it
11:05 mye: now I get "it's being processed"
11:07 samth: it just totally broke
11:08 samth: sorry about that
11:09 samth: created a new stream
11:09 Cryovat: It says that it will begin in a few moments
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11:10 mithos28: working again thanks
11:10 samth: it's going now for me
11:11 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ECE3-D5Gk -- software at http://www.cs.utah.edu/plt/scratchy/ -- ask questions here!
11:12 jrslepak: works on my machine too
11:12 samth: great
11:16 eli: My laptop overheated, which I think reduced the quality to that point.
11:16 eli: Hopefully it will be better now.
11:18 eli: I can't make it readable from this distance though
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12:02 jtpercon: that was fun
12:02 jtpercon: I only got really lost in the last 10-15 minutes
12:04 Haffe: Hmmm.
12:04 Haffe: I used to teach an intro to programming course in RACKET.
12:04 offby1: why'd you stop?
12:04 Haffe: I got another job.
12:04 offby1: bummer
12:04 Haffe: One of the parts was a small game project.
12:05 Haffe: Maybe I should build a small 3d shooter to present as a possibility.
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12:18 mye: what exactly is "the dynamic extent of a parameterize expression" ? e.g. when I parameterise a function call (foo) are the functions called by foo also getting the parameters?
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12:22 tonyg: mye: that's right. the "dynamic extent" is from the time the system enters the parameterize, to the time the system leaves it again.
12:23 tonyg: mye: including non-local escapes such as exceptions and continuation jumps - whenever control crosses out of the parameterize form, the old value of the parameter is restored. Whenever control crosses in, the new value is put in.
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12:28 mye: I have (parameterise […] (sync (handle-evt … (lambda (e) …)))) so I guess the lambda should get the parameters?
12:29 tonyg: mye: that's right
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12:29 tonyg: mye: but it won't *close* over them
12:29 tonyg: mye: so if the lambda is *called* within the parameterize, it will get the parameters - but if it is passed to some code outside the parameterize, it will not get the parameters from that parameterize
12:30 tonyg: rudybot: (define p (make-parameter 1))
12:30 rudybot: tonyg: your sandbox is ready
12:30 rudybot: tonyg: Done.
12:30 tonyg: rudybot: (parameterize ((p 2)) ((lambda () (p))))
12:30 rudybot: tonyg: ; Value: 2
12:30 tonyg: rudybot: ((parameterize ((p 2)) (lambda () (p))))
12:30 rudybot: tonyg: ; Value: 1
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12:34 mye: tonyg: thanks, wasn't sure if the sync with the callback in handle-evt caused it to be outside the dynamic extent
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13:31 (topic) samth: RacketCon is like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIyOK9o_YdI
13:31 samth: everyone: new RacketCon live stream!
13:32 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIyOK9o_YdI
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13:32 samth: ryan culpepper now talking about new templates for macros in Racket
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14:18 soegaard_: Watching the feed from Racket Con. Thanks for making it available.
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14:31 mithos28: audio on livestream just started having issues
14:32 mithos28: actually I'm delayed by a few minutes
14:32 mithos28: and seems to have got better after a minute
14:36 mithos28: It seems like it is on and off
14:38 eli: I don't thinkkkkkk that its a heat issssssue -- more likeeeeeely some google hannnngout         bug
14:38 mithos28: ok, its cleared up again
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14:43 mithos28: now video is being flaky
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14:59 samth: session 3 about to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5x5DyeHsU
14:59 samth: video quality should be better now
14:59 (topic) samth: RacketCon is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5x5DyeHsU
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15:13 jrslepak: samth: nice intro
15:13 samth: jrslepak: i gave them that title for the paper too :)
15:13 jrslepak: haha
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15:30 SamB_MacG5: hmm, search-context.html has improper SGML comment syntax!
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15:35 asumu: Man, now I want to try ParselTongue in emacs. ;)
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16:34 mithos28: has the next talk started yet, I thought I heard it was gonna start at 4:30
16:35 asumu: mithos28: it's just started now, I'll put the link here when I get it
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16:35 mithos28: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9oBMWW1UjO8
16:35 mithos28: minus embedded
16:36 mithos28: there is a large echo this time around
16:36 asumu: Tweeted.
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16:43 mithos28: Did something change with the setup on this session?
16:44 Gertm: Who's speaking now?
16:44 mithos28: Sam TH
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16:45 asumu: mithos28: re: sound, I don't know, but we're using the same machine so I wouldn't think so.
16:45 Gertm: Typed Racket ftw.
16:45 mithos28: Did someone turn the volume up on that machine
16:46 asumu: No idea.
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17:07 mithos28: audio is fixed
17:07 mithos28: don't know what changed
17:14 jtpercon: ok I am getting a "triangle: not a require sub-form" error and I don't see any difference from sam's screen
17:14 mithos28: do you have require/typed
17:14 jtpercon: yes
17:14 mithos28: and a paren before triangle?
17:15 jtpercon: yeah
17:15 mithos28: can you paste your code somewhere?
17:16 jrslepak: http://pastie.org/5054263
17:17 jrslepak: well, that version says    require/typed: expected the literal #:struct-maker in: (above (Triangle TwoTriangle -> Triangle))
17:17 jtpercon: yeah that's the error I have now too
17:17 asumu: Oh I see
17:17 asumu: It was added in git.
17:17 jtpercon: my code matches jrslepak's paste
17:17 asumu: The #:opaque feature.
17:17 jrslepak: ah
17:17 jtpercon: oh is opaque not in 5.3?
17:18 jrslepak: ah, in 5.3, it's [opaque Triangle image?]
17:18 mithos28: use opaque not #:opaque
17:18 mithos28: yeah
17:18 asumu: https://github.com/plt/racket/commit/9054d0d
17:18 asumu: Right. I was confused too because I was looking at pre-release docs.
17:19 mithos28: can you file a bug that gave the error with struct-maker
17:19 mithos28: that is an implementation detail that shouldn't leak out
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17:30 mithos28: audio echo just came back
17:30 mithos28: right after there was an issue with the video
17:35 mithos28: rudybot: init typed/racket
17:35 rudybot: mithos28: your typed/racket sandbox is ready
17:36 mithos28: rudybot: (:type random)
17:36 rudybot: mithos28: error: #<undefined>:1:7: Type Checker: Unbound type name random in: random
17:36 mithos28: rudybot: (:print-type random)
17:36 rudybot: mithos28: ; stdout: "(case-> ((U 0 1 Byte-Larger-Than-One Positive-Index-Not-Byte Positive-Fixnum-Not-Index Negative-Fixnum Positive-Integer-Not-Fixnum Negative-Integer-Not-Fixnum) -> (U 0 1 Byte-Larger-Than-One Positive-Index-Not-Byte Positive-Fixnum-Not-Index Positive-Integer-Not-Fixnum)) ((U 0 1 Byte-Larger-Than-One Positive-Index-Not-Byte Positive-Fixnum-Not-Index Negative-Fixnum Positive-Integer-Not-Fixnum Negative-Inte
17:36 mithos28: rudybot: eval random
17:36 rudybot: mithos28: ; Value: #<procedure:random>
17:36 rudybot: mithos28: ; stdout: "- : (case-> (Pseudo-Random-Generator -> Flonum) (-> Flonum) (Integer Pseudo-Random-Generator -> Exact-Nonnegative-Integer) (Integer -> Exact-Nonnegative-Integer)) ... [Use (:print-type <expr>) to see more.]\n"
17:37 mithos28: What was Sam's argument that that shouldn't be Exact-Nonnegative-Integer on the input side?
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17:59 didi: Are there constants with the most positive and negative fixnum?
17:59 mithos28: didi: Not that I know of
17:59 didi: mithos28: OK. Thanks.
18:00 mithos28: the problem is that it is different depending on the platform
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18:42 didi: mithos28: It doesn't seem too hard to make them, though. Is it possible to know the underlying architecture?
18:42 didi: In x64, for example, (sub1 (expt 2 62))
18:43 didi: And (- (expt 2 62))
18:43 didi: IIUIC
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18:48 didi: I'm guessing it is possible, as there is a `fixnum?' procedure.
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21:55 SamB_MacG5: so racket has a GIL too, does it?
21:57 SamB_MacG5: oh, maybe that's only with `thread' ...
21:57 mithos28: SamB_MacG5: Depends on what you mean
21:58 mithos28: Threads express concurrency not parallelism in Racket
21:58 mithos28: If you want parallelism you should use places or futures
21:59 mithos28: Futures are for fine grained parallelism and places are for coarse grained parallelism
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23:20 Nisstyre: SamB_MacG5: Racket threads are what you might call "green threads"
23:20 Nisstyre: as mithos said they don't allow you to do parallelism :P
23:21 Nisstyre: it's a very common misconception to mix parallelism and concurrency
23:21 Nisstyre: they're not the same thing
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23:30 didi: Well, according to Guido, threads are not meant to parallel computation anyway. At least, not originally.
23:37 Nisstyre: didi: I know, and I constantly battle with Python programmers who think the GIL is some kind of mistake or some reason to think Python lacks "real" threading
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23:49 didi: Nisstyre: I don't blame them too much. Threads gained a somewhat "solve all problems" status. It's not uncommon to see people at #emacs complaining about the lack of threads in Emacs even though it's possible to solve many of the complains using non-blocking IO.
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23:57 didi: Hell, I remember trying to use pthreads even to make coffee.
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