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00:53 mracrrot: Is there something I can do when racket spams a lot of this kind of messages:
00:53 mracrrot: racket:/usr/lib/libssl.so.17.1: undefined symbol 'BN_clear_free'
00:54 mracrrot: It is like a full screens of different symbols it complains about.
00:55 jonrafkind: what os
00:57 mracrrot: OpenBSD
01:00 neilv: what version of openssl do you have?
01:01 neilv: http://bugs.racket-lang.org/query/?cmd=view&pr=12628
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01:03 neilv: nevermind me. i think you'll have to post to the racket users email list
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01:05 mracrrot: neilv: That bug you linked too was a different one. I am not getting the segfault anymore, just those "undefined symbol" messages.
01:07 neilv: yes, i think you'll have to post to the email list
01:13 neilv: now it's doing json ajax stuff. http://i.imgur.com/6zHTX.png
01:22 mracrrot: Done. I sent the mail to both dev@ and users@. As I am not on the lists, it anyway has to go through moderation and they have to accept to which list they will let it through.
01:23 neilv: i suspect it will be users@
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12:45 Staloras: I have a mcons-based structure I'd like to write out to a file and read back in.  Is this possible or will I need to make a #:mutable #:prefab structure to work with instead?
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12:46 dyoo: Staloras: checking...
12:48 mithos28: dyoo: Is getting whalesong to support racket/base still in the pipeline, or has it gotten pushed out for other things?
12:49 dyoo: in the pipeline
12:49 dyoo: I'm back from vacation now
12:49 dyoo: trying to get back to work :)
12:50 mithos28: Will that allow it to work with typed-racket/base or would there still be more work?
12:50 dyoo: Staloras: sorry, I'm not sure.  I'm not familiar enough with read tables to know if we can teach read to make mconses instead of plain conses
12:50 mithos28: Does the read from r6rs produce mcons?
12:51 samth: mithos28: probably
12:51 dyoo: mithos28: technically, I'll be targeting '#%kernel.  If I can get that working, then the rest comes for free
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12:52 mithos28: ok, I thought racket/base might only use a subset of that with TR requiring more
12:52 mithos28: I just want TR in the browser
12:52 samth: mithos28: :)
12:53 samth: TR doesn't use any features that aren't used by at least one other thing
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12:54 dyoo: staloras: mithos28 is right: you can use the version of read from r5rs language
12:54 dyoo: (require (prefix-in r5rs: r5rs)) (r5rs:read (open-input-string "(hello world)"))
12:55 mithos28: I have an old java applet app that needs to be ported to a newer web language at some point, and GWT and JS don't look all that appealing
12:56 Staloras: dyoo: Thank you, appears to work.
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13:10 asumu: samth: except maybe local-expand/capture-lifts. ;)
13:10 asumu: (is that in #%kernel?)
13:10 samth: asumu: yes
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15:11 danl-ndi: how do I declare a _fun in the FFI that takes a list? or a path?  The C function will declare them as Scheme_Object *s
15:17 jonrafkind: you can convert the path to a string. a list you should convert to a C array with list->cblock
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15:19 carleastlund: danl-ndi, you can use the _racket ctype for any Racket value that you will manipulate directly as a Scheme_Object*.
15:21 danl-ndi: carleastlund: very cool. thanks!
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15:51 SamB_MacG5: does DrRacket have anything like Emacs' `find-function' command?
15:55 asumu: SamB_MacG5: what does that do?
15:55 SamB_MacG5: (or, well, a way to find out where some symbol was given a value)
15:55 SamB_MacG5: (particularly for a function)
15:55 asumu: SamB_MacG5: well, if you have "online check syntax" on, just mousing over the identifier will do it.
15:56 asumu: Or you can press the "check syntax" button.
15:56 asumu: (to turn on online check syntax, click the circle in the right hand corner of DrRacket)
15:56 asumu: There's also a drop-down of defined identifiers next to the save button
15:58 SamB_MacG5: what if it comes from a different module?
15:58 asumu: Check syntax has no problem with that.
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15:58 SamB_MacG5: okay
15:58 asumu: it'll tell you which module a given identifier comes from.
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16:09 SamB_MacG5 can't actually find the circle ...
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16:16 asumu: SamB_MacG5: it's next to the picture of the person.
16:16 asumu: The green guy.
16:16 SamB_MacG5: okay, I see a blank spot :-(
16:17 SamB_MacG5: but clicking "check syntax" in the toolbar seems to have given me the hover behaviour you mentioned, so
16:17 SamB_MacG5: ... whatever ...
16:20 SamB_MacG5: (Also a context menu that goes to the actual definition, which is in a different module than the tooltip said it came from, presumably because it was re-exported?)
16:21 SamB_MacG5: (or possibly "online check syntax" was on already, or clicking where the circle should be worked despite the circle not being there...)
16:30 asumu: SamB_MacG5: it's possible it only activates in some languages... are you using #lang racket?
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17:04 SamB_MacG5: asumu: the first file was in scribble/<...>
17:06 asumu: Check syntax should work in Scribble languages, so I don't know what's up.
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18:00 Fare: what's a lambda-list to catch ALL keyword arguments in a list that can be passed to keyword-apply?
18:01 jonrafkind: huh
18:02 jonrafkind: like (lambda x (keyword-apply foo x)) ?
18:02 Fare: yes, but I'd also like to extract some arguments
18:03 Fare: (lambda (a b c #:k k . rest) ...)
18:03 rapacity: make-keyword-procedure
18:04 Fare: thanks!
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18:06 yw0: hello, I just got a macbook. How do I install Racket on mac? I hope it to be cleaner, and don't leave any mess when I need to upgrade or uninstall.
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18:06 jonrafkind: http://racket-lang.org/download/ select the mac version
18:06 yw0: yep I downloaded it, and the zip folder contains several folders
18:07 yw0: Do I just copy them into application folder?
18:07 jonrafkind: zip folder? you mean dmg file?
18:07 jonrafkind: its been a while since ive used a mac but it should just contain the drracket application, so just put that application wherever you want
18:07 jonrafkind: like any other osx application
18:08 yw0: It contains a "Racket v5.3" folder, under it there are several applications and folders
18:10 yw0: It contains DrRacket, GRacket, but also contains "bin", "collects", ...
18:10 yw0: I'm afraid if I copy them into my system's directories, there will be no way to find out what I copied later
18:11 jonrafkind: did you double click the dmg file in finder?
18:11 yw0: yes
18:11 jonrafkind: what if you just copy the drracket application to the desktop and try to run it
18:12 yw0: it runs
18:12 yw0: but I hope to run racket in emacs
18:13 jonrafkind: well for that you just need the bin/racket directory in your path
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18:13 jonrafkind: and then install some racket emacs mode
18:13 jonrafkind: you dont have to install racket to the system folders, just put it wherever you want in your user directory
18:21 yw0: Now sure how to change "path" variable under mac yet… edit a shell config file?
18:27 jonrafkind: export PATH=/usr/bin/whatever:$PATH
18:27 jonrafkind: i forget what shell osx runs by default, maybe csh?
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18:30 yw0: It's now bash
18:31 jonrafkind: you can edit ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile to permanently set your PATH
18:32 yw0: I did that..
18:32 yw0: It feel uneasy every system seems to have a different set up for those
18:32 yw0: .bashrc will not work unless I have sourced it in .bash_profile
18:33 jonrafkind: right
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22:00 Fare: is it better to show everything then discuss, to show only previously discussed points, or to show everything but highlight as discussed?
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22:05 bremner: yes
22:05 bremner: ;)
22:07 Fare: thank you
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22:49 yoklov: what exactly does "mzc optimizer: no inlining, out of fuel" mean in the debug logs?
22:50 mithos28: I think that means that it tried inlining a lot, and then decided not to continue.
22:50 yoklov: hm
22:50 yoklov: makes sense
22:50 mithos28: The reason to stop is so that inlining eventually finishes, and doesn't produce huge code blocks
22:51 yoklov: right
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22:59 friscosam: see also http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~dyb/pubs/inlining-abstract.html
23:01 yoklov: oh, thanks
23:02 SamB_MacG5: mithos28: couldn't it check hugeness after trying an inlining? I'd expect that'd just be for the "stops" aspect...
23:04 mithos28: It could, but they are both related
23:05 SamB_MacG5 expects it's possible for something involving a huge amount of inlining to result in a quite small piece of code
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23:08 yoklov: theres no way for me to tweak the parameters related to inline depth/size is there?
23:09 SamB_MacG5 still wonders what would be needed to make non-terminal names in the grammars into links/anchors ... can't really understand racketgrammar* ...
23:09 yoklov: err, without recompiling racket or anything like that
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23:09 mithos28: Not that I know of
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23:10 SamB_MacG5 would have thought the fuel would at least be configurable ...
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23:29 asumu: SamB_MacG5: have you tried adding the things you want linked into literals?
23:30 asumu: i.e., add to the #:literals list
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23:34 SamB_MacG5: asumu: isn't that for terminals, though?
23:35 SamB_MacG5: I mean, it seems to me that the blue, italic bits could use linkage
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23:42 Fare: is anyone from #racket going to ILC 2012 in Kyoto? It's one week after RacketCon
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23:44 asumu: SamB_MacG5: what would those link to?
23:45 asumu: Fare: ah, it's in Kyoto? No wonder the program had so many people from Japan. Neat.
23:45 SamB_MacG5: asumu: well, the ones on left-hand sides would be linked to by those on right-hand sides that referred to them
23:46 Fare: Yeah, ILC wanted to not be in the US all the time, and Europe has plenty of Lisp conferences already
23:47 Fare: so Japan was an obvious contender
23:47 SamB_MacG5: (likely there would be scoping problems to solve ...)
23:47 adu <3 Japan
23:47 mithos28: Is there any plan to do live streaming of racket con?
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23:48 asumu: SamB_MacG5: Yeah, I don't know the internals of Scribble, but it typically only links things with bindings. Maybe it could be done though.
23:48 adu: <3 日本
23:49 asumu: Yeah, Kyoto seems like a nice place for a conference. Haven't been there myself sadly.
23:50 asumu: mithos28: I kinda doubt it, but samth would know.
23:50 SamB_MacG5: asumu: unfortunately, racketgrammar* is like a brick wall to me :-(
23:50 Fare: asumu, and not coming this year, I presume from your answer.
23:51 asumu: Fare: nope, though I'd love to if I could.
23:51 mithos28: Well, If not I'm hoping somewhen can turn their laptop around and do an unofficial Hangout on Air
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23:54 asumu: SamB_MacG5: have you looked at any examples from the code base? (e.g. https://github.com/plt/racket/blob/master/collects/scribblings/raco/info.scrbl )
23:54 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/8rehp64
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23:54 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix a bug in color padding code - Robby Findler
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23:54 asumu: mithos28: that sounds do-able. Probably worth suggesting closer to the event so someone remembers to do it.
23:56 mithos28: ok, i'll try to do that, cause I cannot make it this year