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00:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] make a bunch of unmutated private fields bound to procedures into private methods - Robby Findler
00:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] make tooltips go away if the drracket window isn't - Robby Findler
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00:10 offby1: [racket/master] make Robby go away if the code isn't ready
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00:27 micaeked: hello. i just read "http://blog.racket-lang.org/2012/09/i-write-funny-lookin-racket-code.html" and i really like the idea. anyone have this working on vim? or some pointers on how to get started? ps, i really don't like having to add to "set lispwords+=" so often
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00:31 offby1: micaeked: I'm not sure the problem exists in vim.
00:32 micaeked: offby1: you have to special-case many forms using "set lispwords+="
00:32 micaeked: offby1: for example: set lispwords+=local,with-handlers,with-output-to-file,query-exec,for/list,let/cc
00:32 offby1: hm, that does sound like the same problem Carl solved :)
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00:48 friscosam: there is a good racket vim stuff on github
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00:48 friscosam: lemme find the link
00:49 friscosam: https://github.com/wlangstroth/vim-racket
00:49 friscosam: that at least gets some of the indent and coloring set up
00:50 friscosam: for all the special syntax and standard functions
00:52 micaeked: friscosam: yes, that does help. especially with syntax highlighting. the indent file seems a bit bare though: https://github.com/wlangstroth/vim-racket/blob/master/indent/racket.vim
00:59 micaeked: managed to locate /usr/share/vim/vim73/indent/ ... i'll try to get it working from the examples there
01:00 friscosam: yeah I think I hacked a vim code once and wanted to kill myself
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01:13 offby1 imagines line noise
01:14 friscosam: yes regular expressions are involved
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01:17 micaeked: aaaaand igiveup
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01:20 friscosam: in ye olde days I remember an indent script written in plt scheme that you could run over your code to reindent it, but it was a real pain to use
01:21 friscosam: it was for like plt scheme 3xx
01:22 offby1 just uses a hammer and an old pair of pliers
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14:40 mrcarrot: Is there any good irc bot written with racket? Something similar to lambdabot for haskell?
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14:43 bremner: rudybot: source
14:43 rudybot: bremner: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git
14:43 bremner: mrcarrot: depends on your definition of good ^
14:43 mrcarrot: Thanks! Will check it out.
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14:46 mrcarrot: bremner: Do you happen to know directly how it will handle time outs? I am on an unstable connection and the bot will at some point get disconnected. Is it able to connect again automatically?
14:47 bremner: mrcarrot: sorry, no idea. Maybe offby1 can help.
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15:05 offby1: mrcarrot: yeah, it reconnects.
15:05 offby1: rudybot: uptime
15:05 rudybot: *offby1: I've been up for three weeks; this tcp/ip connection has been up for two weeks
15:05 offby1: that means that it reconnected two weeks ago
15:07 mrcarrot: offby1: I am still compiling racket, so I have not yet tested the bot. How do you configure it? will it ask for username etc once you run it, or do you edit any file?
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15:20 offby1: lemme think
15:21 offby1: I think it looks for the password on the command line
15:21 offby1: username it gets out of the racket "preferences" file
15:21 offby1: and both can come from the environment too, but I never use that feature
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15:55 mrcarrot: Ok, thanks!
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15:58 offby1: index it copies from old Vladivostok telephone directory
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21:28 mye: if check-equal? tests two values in unit test, how to I test a function that returns multiple values?
21:28 mye: (check-equal? (foo) (values 1 2))
21:28 mye: *confused*
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21:33 mye: actually, just testing against '(1 2) works, but I don't really get why.
21:34 mye: so a function that returns a list is equal to a function that return (values) with just as many list elemns
21:34 mye: this doesn't make sense
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21:38 mye: ok, forget the last point doesn't actually work :/
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21:44 asumu: mye: (let-values ([(x1 y1) (foo)] [(x2 y2) (foo2)] (check-equal? x1 y1) (check-equal? x2 y2))
21:44 asumu: though maybe there is a more convenient built-in thing.
21:46 neilv: in overeasy, it's: (test (foo) (values 42 69))
21:47 mye: asumu: thanks, I found something similar on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3748311/plt-racket-test-cases-for-multiple-values
21:47 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/92sg78v
21:47 mye: eli says rack unit might be better but I can't find it in the docs
21:47 neilv: http://www.neilvandyke.org/overeasy/
21:49 mye: neilv: I had a look at it a couple months ago, seems like a good opportunity to switch :-)
21:51 mye: is it bad that I now import three unit test engines in the test submodule :-D
21:52 neilv: isn't there already something like "system*/string" or "system*/bytes" in core racket?
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21:53 neilv: oh, i guess "system*" is close enough
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22:05 eli: mye: ?
22:05 eli: I'm not "affiliated" with rackunit.
22:06 eli: My test thing is in a different place, and it's much closer to neilv's thing (though with some substantial not-yet-pushed flexibilities that make it do much more)
22:11 mye: eli: can you give me a link? I like more testing facilities.
22:11 eli: mye: It's in the full source tree, at collects/tests/eli-tester.rkt
22:11 eli: But it's not distributed, since I didn't get to make it more publish-able.
22:12 eli: And those extensions that I talked about are lying in a branch in my work tree...
22:12 eli: The basic idea looks like neilv's thing -- a small+minimal utility, (test expr => result)
22:17 neilv: i wouldn't call my thing small
22:17 neilv: wait. misunderstood
22:19 eli: neilv: I don't know how big the source is -- I'm talking about the small interface of just a minimal `test' form and leaving the rest for plain code.
22:20 eli: (Eg, avoiding some concept of a "test suite" and instead letting people write functions, which IIRC you were talking about too.)
22:20 neilv: yes
22:21 neilv: i am also trying to put in a little more syntactic sugar than you, iirc
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22:25 eli: neilv: In my extension, you can extend it via new arrows.
22:26 eli: For example, there will be different arrows that will have different power in what they check.
22:26 eli: This came up since I did too much cuteness similar to (test (foo) => (values 1 2))
22:27 eli: Specifically, I did (test (foo) => (error "bar")) as something that matches all errors with "bar" in them, and I also catch syntax error.
22:27 eli: This means that you can get confusing situations when you do (test (foo) => (+ x 1)) and `x' is unbound.
22:30 neilv: in overeasy, you can do:   #:exn #rx"bar"
22:31 neilv: i found myself doing   #:exn #rx"^foo: no bar in the baz"  to match the start of the exn message, and ignoring the rest of the exn message
22:31 neilv: you can also do   #:exn exn:fail:filesystem?   to use predicates
22:31 neilv: or have a string arg, for an exact match of the exn-message
22:32 neilv: if you want to specify an exn predicate *and* and the exn message, there is no shortcut for that, yet
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22:42 neilv: anyone with mac os x system know whether there is a "/bin/hostname" standard?
22:43 jamessan: you mean whether such a binary exists?
22:43 neilv: yes
22:44 mye: neilv: it exitst on 10.8.2 here
22:45 neilv: does "/bin/hostname -f" give the full hostname including domain name?
22:45 jamessan: and on 10.6.8
22:46 jamessan: foo.local
22:46 mye: me too with and without -f
22:47 neilv: thanks
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23:10 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix the way check syntax traverses #%require expressions that it sees - Robby Findler
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23:18 neilv: (require (planet neil/hostname:1:0)) (get-full-hostname) (get-short-hostname)
23:18 neilv: supposedly that will work on most unix-y systems
23:20 neilv: crap
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23:25 neilv: (require (planet neil/hostname:1:1)) (get-full-hostname) (get-short-hostname)
23:33 tuor: neilv: I just tried it on my Mac OS 10.8.2 and it worked great. It was also my first time to try (require (planet ...  Very cool!
23:33 neilv: planet requires are cool. the only bummer is the documentation formatting time
23:37 neilv: incredibly boring screenshot of racket-based web app interface.  http://i.imgur.com/EaVWr.jpg
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23:39 neilv: so you will use your mobile phone, tablet, or laptop to control this little racket-based home theatre thing