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13:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] reference: fix docs for Windows path cleansing - Matthew Flatt
13:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix Win64 build for newer SDK - Matthew Flatt
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13:23 ianjneu: Is there a difference in meaning for fully expanded (let-values () . body) and (begin . body) ?
13:26 stamourv: rudybot: (let () (begin (define x 2)) x)
13:26 rudybot: stamourv: your sandbox is ready
13:26 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: 2
13:26 stamourv: rudybot: (let () (let-values () (define x 2)) x)
13:26 rudybot: stamourv: error: #<undefined>:1:8: begin (possibly implicit): no expression after a sequence of internal definitions in: ((define x 2))
13:26 stamourv: ianjneu: ^
13:28 ianjneu: again, fully expanded code.
13:28 ianjneu: so, core forms let-values and begin
13:29 stamourv: Dunno if the expander produces code where the difference matters.
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13:30 steve___: anyone here?
13:30 ianjneu: yes
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13:31 Guest66153: i installed drracket 5.3 on mac 10.8.1 but it wont start
13:31 asumu: Do you get an error message?
13:31 Guest66153: not even an error message
13:31 Guest66153: it just wont even start
13:32 ianjneu: That's hard to diagnose, heh
13:32 Guest66153: T^T
13:32 bremner: Guest66153: are you starting it from the command line? there might be more diagnostics that way
13:32 Guest66153: i just double click on the .app to start
13:33 bremner: you may now re-interpret my question as a suggestion
13:33 Guest66153: the thing is i dont know how to use the command line.... so yeah...
13:35 Guest66153: what's the command for starting an .app file
13:36 Guest66153: someone please help me T^T i wanna run this program on my computerrrr~
13:37 ianjneu: this is really more a problem for eli, since he's the release build guy.
13:37 Guest66153: ...T^T
13:37 Guest66153: thanks anyways....
13:37 stamourv: Guest66153: Did you download the installer from the Racket website?
13:38 stamourv: If so, did you pick the one for PPC, x86, x86_64?
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15:13 jonrafkind: how come (colorize (text "hello") (list 0 0 0)) says "expected a color but got '(0 0 0)"
15:13 jonrafkind: the docs for colorize say it can take a string, a color, or a list of rgb values
15:15 jonrafkind: oh well, I just did (make-object %color r g b) instead
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16:49 asumu: That diff tool on the mailing list is pretty cool.
17:02 asumu: I'd like to see it as a DrRacket plugin.
17:02 stamourv: Agreed.
17:03 stamourv: Wanna say that on the mailing list?
17:04 asumu: Will do.
17:04 stamourv: There's some cool stuff in the code base, too. I see a parser combinator library.
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17:12 asumu: It would be nice to have a parser combinator in the parser-tools collect.
17:13 eli: stamourv: Matthew gives a *lot* of such talks, it's not something for the web page.  (Unless it had some twitter/whatever feed or something, which someone suggested...)
17:13 eli: ianjneu: I'm only in charge of the build mechanics -- I have no idea about OSX issues...
17:13 eli: asumu: If you're the one who replied for that reddit question, then see what I posted -- it's much easier for most people.
17:15 stamourv: eli: Does he? I didn't know that.
17:16 eli: stamourv: If you think that such talks are at a frequency that I thought they happen, then multiply that by a factor of ~4 or so.
17:16 asumu: eli: I haven't posted anything.
17:17 stamourv: eli: I can't parse that.
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17:18 stamourv: eli: Also, are you in? I have a question about the profiler.
17:18 eli: asumu: It was the racket user thing, so maybe it's sstrickl
17:19 eli: stamourv: "My guess is that your gues is about 4-times too low"
17:19 eli: stamourv: And no, I'm at home.
17:19 stamourv: Re guess: I get it now.
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17:20 asumu: eli: Oh, that was me. I thought you meant some other reddit thread.
17:20 asumu: And yes, that's nicer.
17:20 stamourv: Re profiler: I can't make heads or tails of the last paragraph of section 3 of the profiler's docs.
17:20 stamourv: eli: ^
17:21 asumu: Wow, ",desc" is nice. I should read (and remember) more of the xrepl docs.
17:23 eli: stamourv: If you need to use that for some reason (you'd be the first) and there are explanation problems then (a) I'm not surprised, and (b) yes, it's better to catch me when I'm there.  (I should be in tomorrow, until my class, and for a short time after it.)
17:23 eli: asumu: There are a bunch of meta-tools, it's kind of the main theme of the whole thing.
17:24 stamourv: eli: I think it's what I need, but since I can't fully figure out what it is, I'm not sure. I'll be in tomorrow, swing by my desk whenever.
17:24 eli: (BTW, about that file diffing -- why the excitement over a drr tool?  It seems like something that could be used as a standalone thing just fine...)
17:25 stamourv: It's browser based.
17:25 stamourv: Of course, an emacs interface would be even better.
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17:26 eli: stamourv: FWIW, if you see light, then the chances are much better if you'll do the swinging...  (I defnitiely owe you, but this is just admitting my own senility and the fact that about 5 minutes from now I'll forget about the whole thing...)
17:26 eli: (IOW, if you see me and I look like I'm avoiding the question, then the real story is that I have no memory of it.)
17:26 asumu: eli: because the web GUI he shows relies on being able to click on parts of the program. Could probably do it in emacs with a key shortcut.
17:26 stamourv: eli: Sure. My memory's not much better, though.
17:26 asumu: Or a standalone Racket GUI app.
17:27 eli: (Maybe I should start tattooing reminders...)
17:27 stamourv: But since I'm likely to bang my head against it again tomorrow, that'll remind me.
17:27 eli: re the diff tool, I just think that a program level API would work much better overall.
17:28 eli: For example, there's a relatively popular format that git uses for word-diffing, and if he can spit that out, then you immediately get a whole bunch of existing tools that would be fine with it...
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17:32 asumu: eli: instead of a website thing, I just tweeted it: https://twitter.com/racketlang/status/246360702086938625
17:33 asumu: Also, I had no idea of that git diff format, so maybe worth suggesting in that thread.
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17:50 jonrafkind: is there an easy way to do word-wrapping in slideshow? if I do @t{..really long text..} it just goes off the edge of the screen
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17:54 stamourv: rudybot: doc para
17:54 rudybot: stamourv: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: slideshow/base, slideshow, scribble/base
17:54 stamourv: rudybot: (require slideshow)
17:54 rudybot: stamourv: error: file-or-directory-modify-seconds: `read' access denied for /home/erich/.racket/racket-prefs.rktd
17:54 jonrafkind: oh nice
17:55 stamourv: jonrafkind: Working on a talk?
17:55 jonrafkind: ya
17:55 stamourv: Cool, what about?
17:55 jonrafkind: honu, for my paper at gpce 2012
17:55 jonrafkind: i can give mostly the same talk at racketcon if need be
17:56 jonrafkind: at least i clicked the box for 'can give a 10 minute talk'
17:56 stamourv: I hope the GPCE talk is longer than that. ;)
17:56 jonrafkind: yea haha of course
17:56 stamourv: When's GPCE?
17:56 jonrafkind: i mean ill throw out the 'what are macros' part of course
17:56 jonrafkind: i think it starts september 24th or so
17:57 stamourv: Good luck!
17:57 jonrafkind: thanks
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21:39 eli: asumu: Yeah, a tweet is perfect for that.  (Did you miss my minor hint at the front-page reformatting, btw?)
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21:43 Fare is happily using scribble for his ILC 2012 paper. Thanks, eli & the racket team.
21:44 Fare: btw, it looks like if an item in an itemlist contains text between [square brackets] it is interpreted specially by LaTeX -- maybe not what you want.
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21:45 Fare: is there in racket or anywhere you know of some library that helps write both pure/persistent or stateful/ephemeral datastructures from a same specification?
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22:06 eli: Fare: If you're using plain scribble, then that sounds like a bug.
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22:28 Fare: I'm using sigalternate
22:28 Fare: which probably defers those things to plain scribble
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