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08:27 tim-brown: does anyone know if the body of for/first is called in tail position?
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08:51 samth: tim-brown: i think so
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08:56 tim-brown: the only mention of "tail position" in the documentation page is for the (do ...) form
08:57 tim-brown: would one expect to be told that the body is called in the tail position?
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08:59 tim-brown: i just went to look at "case" for an example... that only mentions tail position w.r.t. the else clause
09:00 tim-brown: now i'm wondering whether a matched case is in tail position
09:01 tim-brown: cond is better documented in this respect, i think
09:02 samth: tim-brown: case certainly calls things in tail position
09:02 samth: as does `match`
09:02 samth: and many other things
09:04 tim-brown: which is why i wonder whether to expect "not in tail position" to be documented, and "in tail position" to be implicit
09:05 tim-brown: iirc, the scheme specs are keen to stress how important tail calls are (as would any functional programmmer for that matter)
09:06 samth: tim-brown: in the racket docs, whether functions are called in tail position is usually documented
09:06 samth: but expression subforms in macros are not as consistnetly documented that way
09:07 tim-brown: so would you go as far as to call that a weakness in the documentation?
09:07 samth: tim-brown: in some places
09:08 samth: sometimes its obvious
09:09 tim-brown: yeah... i just wanted a confidence boost when i used for/first
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22:50 doomrobo: what do I have to (require) to get raise-argument-error?
22:51 mithos28: rudybot: doc raise-argument-error
22:51 rudybot: mithos28: your sandbox is ready
22:51 rudybot: mithos28: not found in any library's documentation: raise-argument-error
22:51 mithos28: doomrobo: Why do you think such a function exists?
22:51 doomrobo: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/exns.html#%28def._%28%28quote._~23~25kernel%29._raise-arguments-error%29%29
22:51 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/8wfou6m
22:52 doomrobo: crap
22:52 doomrobo: don't yell at me
22:52 doomrobo: the s
22:52 mithos28: yeah
22:52 mithos28: it should be in racket/base
22:52 doomrobo: wait, it's still unbound
22:52 doomrobo: odd
22:52 mithos28: rudybot: raise
22:52 rudybot: mithos28: ; Value: #<procedure:raise>
22:52 mithos28: rudybot: doc raise-arguments-error
22:52 rudybot: mithos28: not found in any library's documentation: raise-arguments-error
22:53 doomrobo: now that's weird
22:53 mithos28: rudybot: raise-argument-error
22:53 rudybot: mithos28: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: raise-argument-error in module: 'program
22:53 mithos28: rudybot: init
22:53 rudybot: mithos28: your sandbox is ready
22:54 mithos28: rudybot: raise-argument-error
22:54 rudybot: mithos28: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: raise-argument-error in module: 'program
22:54 mithos28: rudybot: raise-arguments-error
22:54 rudybot: mithos28: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: raise-arguments-error in module: 'program
22:54 mithos28: rudybot: raise
22:54 rudybot: mithos28: ; Value: #<procedure:raise>
22:55 doomrobo: mithos28, where can it be defined?
22:55 mithos28: It is working fine for me in my command line
22:55 doomrobo: but not by rudybot?
22:55 mithos28: rudybot: (version)
22:55 rudybot: mithos28: ; Value: "5.2.900.1"
22:55 mithos28: doomrobo: what version are you using?
22:56 doomrobo: 5.2.1
22:56 mithos28: I used 5.3
22:56 mithos28: I'm guessing it is new
22:57 doomrobo: debian testing is showing 5.2.1 as newest
22:57 doomrobo: waaaa
22:57 mithos28: debian is old
22:57 doomrobo: so?
22:57 doomrobo: it's repos especially in testing are up-to-date
22:58 mithos28: well obviously not
22:58 doomrobo: this is actually surprising to me
22:58 doomrobo: they've got the latest of nearly everything I use
22:58 mithos28: even in unstable they are old
22:58 mithos28: Well it only came out a few weeks ago
22:59 doomrobo: that's not true about unstable
22:59 doomrobo: actually, I'm sure it's already there
22:59 mithos28: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/racket
22:59 doomrobo: wow
22:59 doomrobo is double-surprised
22:59 doomrobo: go figure, I suppose nobody gives enough shits
23:00 mithos28: can you use ppa, in debian?
23:00 mithos28: Because there is one maintained for ubuntu that should be up to date
23:00 doomrobo: yes but it can break deps
23:01 doomrobo: I'll check it out
23:01 doomrobo: gn
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