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03:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.3.0.16. - Eli Barzilay
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05:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] typo - Matthew Flatt
05:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/gui/init: fix load handler - Matthew Flatt
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15:43 (topic) -: Racket -- http://racket-lang.org -- logs at http://racket-lang.org/irc-logs/
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17:20 shriphani: hello racketeers, is anyone using racket for nlp / ml stuff using the scheme nltoolkit ? How did your experience compare to say python (if you've used that).
17:25 asumu: shriphani: are you referring to http://www.snltk.org/?
17:25 shriphani: yeah.
17:25 shriphani: or generally any other toolkit.
17:25 asumu hasn't used it, but hasn't done any NLP stuff since undergrad with Python+NTLK
17:32 Cryovat: asumu, you're lucky
17:32 Cryovat: I did the NLP in school using Java :(
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17:39 ASau: Hello!
17:39 ASau: Is there a separate release branch or is it still on trunk?
17:42 stamourv: ASau: There's a separate branch.
17:43 stamourv: At this point in the release process, changes pushed to master need to be explicitly cherry-picked to get in the release.
17:44 ASau: Can you give me the URL?
17:44 stamourv: https://github.com/plt/racket/tree/release
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17:47 asumu: Cryovat: Our AI class used Java (there wasn't much coding though), so it wasn't all great.
17:47 asumu: Starting my last year they started teaching intro programming using Racket though. Lucky freshmen.
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17:49 Cryovat: Ah, that's cool
17:49 Cryovat: My AI class used Common Lisp
17:49 Cryovat: It felt more like a Common Lisp class where the exercises tended to be about AI algorithms
17:49 shriphani: Cryovat: I had a symbolic AI course in lisp.
17:50 Cryovat: I think the professor had a grudge against the uni for not having a Lisp class, an used the course to sneak-teach it
17:51 Cryovat: Still, very glad I took it
17:51 Cryovat: Even though it left me with headaches
17:51 Cryovat: It had the midterm from hell
17:51 shriphani: and I am starting a PhD in the fall and if I could, I would definitely consider using a lisp (I don't know common-lisp and clojure and I am only just using racket so I don't want these to be the RDS)
17:51 Cryovat: We were given a paper with Lisp code where all the variables and function names were single letters
17:51 Cryovat: And questions like
17:52 Cryovat: "If the function a is given the input '(((a b c) c (a ((a b c))))), what will be the output?"
17:52 asumu: That's unpleasant.
17:53 stamourv: shriphani: Cool, where will you be studying?
17:53 Cryovat: I remember the last question having a deliberately buggy macro that leaked variable names
17:53 Cryovat: Still, it was a very good challenge
17:54 ASau: stamourv: fatal: https://github.com/plt/racket/tree/release/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
17:54 shriphani: stamourv: cmu
17:54 Cryovat: Smart person :O
17:55 stamourv: ASau: If you want to check out the branch, you should be able to do it from a regular clone, just checkout the right branch.
17:55 stamourv: shriphani: Cool.
17:55 Cryovat: What are you doing a Phd about?
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17:56 shriphani: Cryovat: Machine Learning mostly focused on information retrieval and nlp.
17:56 shriphani: (or so I think)
17:56 Cryovat: Ah, neat :)
17:56 Cryovat: Some very fun stuff there
17:56 Cryovat: Well
17:56 Cryovat: Assuming you do English language NLP
17:56 Cryovat: I touched upon Norwegian language NLP in my master's
17:56 Cryovat: That's pretty dismal
17:57 shriphani: dismal as in not well researched or dismal as in no public datasets to work with ?
17:57 Cryovat: Both
17:57 ASau: That's what your job is.
17:58 Cryovat: It was pretty fascinating
17:58 ASau: Otherwise it isn't worth Ph.D.
17:58 Cryovat: There's a single publically available part-of-speech tagger available
17:58 Cryovat: I looked at it briefly
17:58 Cryovat: Turned out that it was composed of modules written in 4-5 different programming languages
17:59 Cryovat: Strung together by a bash-script
17:59 shriphani: ASau: your career can be finished if your papers aren't cited at all.
17:59 Cryovat: And a central piece was a binary blob that only ran on 64 bit Linux and was trained with an undisclosed training corpus
18:00 Cryovat: Seemed like each module was written by a researcher at a different university
18:00 Cryovat: About their particular pet field
18:01 asumu: ASau: FWIW, git clone -b release git://github.com/plt/racket.git worked fine for me.
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18:11 shriphani: just curious. how many lisps do you guys know / use regularly ?
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18:12 stamourv: I mostly stick to Racket, but I've done a fair amount of Scheme in the past, and a tiny bit of Common Lisp.
18:12 stamourv: (and more emacs lisp than I'd like to admit)
18:13 Cryovat: Racket is the only one I'm comfortable enough with to claim that I know
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18:21 ASau: shriphani: not doing anything is just another way to bury your career.
18:22 asumu: Aside from Racket, I've used Clojure before.
18:23 ASau worked in commercial CL project and wrote even in Emacs Lisp there.
18:24 ASau: I also have deployed production code written in Chicken Scheme.
18:24 Cryovat: It's a hobby thing for me
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18:28 shriphani: ASau: that is true. fortunately, I am not entering very grass-rootsish fields.
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18:46 soegaard: Anyone tried the github version of Whalesong lately?
18:46 soegaard: If so can you remember, which Racket version you were using?
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19:15 soegaard: Got it now. 7d6f46d50e3e96857ab76000adb88d85a052ebf6 works with 5.2.1
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20:14 Fare: ILC'2012 has extended its deadline -- send your article abstracts before Aug 5! http://international-lisp-conference.org/2012/index.html
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20:16 Fare: Also, Boston Lisp Meeting next Tuesday at MIT. Lightning talks.
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22:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Add missing meta information for the new "future-visualizer" collection. - Eli Barzilay
22:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Make it possible to use "~" or "~user" in the installer. - Eli Barzilay
22:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Disable the `#:before-first' and `#:after-last' functionality in `add-between'. - Eli Barzilay
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22:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix typo from commit 12a4ee8. - Eli Barzilay
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