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01:59 Cryovat: Morning jeapostrophe
01:59 Cryovat: Your list of games to implement is... intimidating
02:04 jonrafkind: what lis
02:04 jonrafkind: t
02:04 Cryovat: He has a list of games to implement in his get-bonus github repo
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06:37 Sgeo: Is Racket with language set to R5RS suitable for SICP?
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06:50 Sgeo: Why is Swindle called a legacy language?
06:51 eli: Sgeo: Because that entry is a DrRacket language, the non-legacy version would be `#lang swindle'.
06:51 eli: And for Sgeo
06:51 eli: bah
06:51 eli: And for SICP use Neil's package.
06:52 eli: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/
06:52 Sgeo: It said something about not being suitable for arbitrary students?
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07:30 tim-brown: kwikee gitorious question: i have a 3 month old for of racket in a private repository on GH. can i bring it up to date with "master"?
07:34 tim-brown: s/gitorious/github/
07:35 bremner: tim-brown: just update some local repo, then push
07:35 tim-brown: i'm looking for a "just update" button
07:36 tim-brown: (using the web interface)
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07:38 eli: Sgeo_: Should be fine, certainly better than r5rs...
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07:46 bremner: tim-brown: no idea. I only use command line git.
07:47 tim-brown: oh, ok... so on command line you would "git pull"?
07:47 tim-brown is truly a git noob
07:47 bremner: yes, git pull should work
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07:49 tim-brown: bremner: thx
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07:51 tim-brown: can i build a CGC AND 3m versions of racket simultaneously -- I would like to use 3m stand alone, but embed lib..racket..cgc.so in a c program
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08:19 eli: tim-brown: Yes, use the *-both make targets, and you'll get both executables.
08:20 eli: eg, "make both; make install-both"
08:20 eli: And for the GH repository -- forking on GH is cheap, so if you don't have any new work on your private repo you can just nuke and re-fork.
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08:46 tim-brown: thx eli
08:46 tim-brown: the reason i'm asking is that i need to patch some #defines in sconfig.h
08:46 tim-brown: for sunos 5.10 i can't build because:
08:46 tim-brown: ./port.c: In function `scheme_alloc_global_fdset':
08:46 tim-brown: ./port.c:792: error: invalid application of `sizeof' to incomplete type `mz_fd_set'
08:46 tim-brown: ./port.c: In function `scheme_merge_fd_sets':
08:46 tim-brown: ./port.c:1257: warning: implicit declaration of function `FDSET_LIMIT'
08:46 tim-brown: ./port.c:1259: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
08:47 tim-brown: defining either, HAVE_POLL_SYSCALL or USE_DYNAMIC_FDSET_SIZE or both
08:47 tim-brown: allows sunos 5.10 to build (although "work" may be a different thing)
08:49 tim-brown: i know for a fact that sunos has "poll()" -- is that what "HAVE_POLL_SYSCALL" means?
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09:31 Sgeo_: "Although sgl checks the arguments to each function call, violation of higher-level assumptions of the system?s OpenGL library can cause it to crash, bringing the entire Racket system down."
09:31 Sgeo_: Question: With places, would only the place crash, or would the whole thing crash?
09:48 chandler: Places are relatively isolated at the Racket leve, but to the OS they're just threads in the same process. This means that the whole thing would crash.
09:49 chandler: "level", even
09:51 (nick) samth_ -> samth
09:55 tim-brown: my build produces a lot of "ignoring #pragma GCC diagnostic"
09:55 tim-brown: is that an out of date gcc, or is this possibly an oversight with Solaris?
09:57 tim-brown: amd #pragma ident in xform'ed source
09:57 tim-brown aims to hit the right keys, honestly
10:04 eli: tim-brown: I see a few of these warning in the build log.  (You can see that on pre.racket-lang.org)
10:05 eli: Also, I don't know about the poll thing, but I saw your pull request and passed it on to Matthew.
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10:07 tim-brown: eli: is that a Linux build log?
10:08 eli: tim-brown: Find the error, and then scroll up to the nearest header -- that would tell you what the platform is.
10:08 eli: IIRC, there were two OSX builds -- the PPC and the Intel one.
10:09 tim-brown: is there a standard "program" within the racket distribution that would stress (test) polling nicely?
10:12 samth: tim-brown: matthew posted something on the mailing list when he added epoll() support
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10:38 asumu: Nice, gcr's distributed computing library is fairly high on Reddit today.
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10:48 eli: tim-brown: what are the other issues?
10:49 tim-brown: just a mo... rebuilding w/o the patch
10:50 tim-brown: actually... i reported a failure a bit earlier on IRC, in port.c
10:52 tim-brown: which seem to be cleared up on git master
10:52 eli: tim-brown: OK, so there's nothing else?
10:52 tim-brown: building 5.2.1 reports:
10:53 tim-brown: port.c: In function `scheme_alloc_global_fdset':
10:53 tim-brown: ./port.c:792: error: invalid application of `sizeof' to incomplete type `mz_fd_set'
10:53 tim-brown: ./port.c: In function `scheme_merge_fd_sets':
10:53 tim-brown: ./port.c:1257: warning: implicit declaration of function `FDSET_LIMIT'
10:53 tim-brown: ./port.c:1259: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
10:54 tim-brown: that's building 5.2.1 from unix source on solaris 5.10
10:54 eli: tim-brown: Can you email me that?
10:54 eli: Or, is that all?
10:55 tim-brown: that's all that comes our from gcc port.c
10:55 tim-brown: and there's nothing else
10:55 eli: ok
10:56 tim-brown: seems my patch is not necessary to "fix" this issue... however, might be an idea to see whether Solaris should be a system that supports poll() in racket
10:58 eli: tim-brown: Passed this too.  (You can just mail matthew, btw.)
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12:00 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] added 'range' to *sl per jpr's request and #lang-ified a couple of files - Matthias Felleisen
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12:22 alysa: Hello, is anyone here familiar with installing racket with various linux distributions?
12:23 Haffe: I have installed it in ubuntu.
12:24 alysa: Okay. I'm using Mint 13 and I'm having some trouble. I had no issues with Mint 11, but I'm getting some lovely error when I run it
12:24 alysa: alysa@CYGNUS ~ $ drracket  ffi-lib: couldn't open "libjpeg.so.62" (libjpeg.so.62: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
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12:30 jacius: alysa: Sounds like you need to install libjpeg62 using Mint's software package manager
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12:32 Sgeo_: Does working with Units have any similarities to Newspeak?
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12:32 Sgeo_: I only looked at the unit vs module thing, and it.. sort of vaguely makes me think of it
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12:49 asumu: Sgeo_: Probably the only similarity is that units are first class too.
12:50 asumu: But I don't know, I haven't looked too closely at Newspeak.
12:51 asumu: Actually, are Newspeak modules even first-class?
12:54 bremner: jamessan: thanks for you efforts, I saw racket just migrated to debian testing.
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13:15 Shambles_1: I'm kind of surprised Racket wasn't already in Debian.  It's not shipped with most distros yet?
13:15 (nick) Shambles_1 -> Shambles_
13:16 samth: Shambles_: an older version is in debian stable
13:17 Shambles_: samth: I see.  Not like it wasn't there at all then.
13:17 samth: Shambles_: yes
13:18 bremner: this is the version that will be in the next debian stable.
13:18 jonrafkind: what version is that
13:18 bremner: 5.2.1
13:21 jonrafkind: when is debian stable due?
13:21 bremner: hard to say. The freeze starts in a couple weeks.
13:21 jonrafkind: i thought there were like 4-5 years between debian releases or something
13:22 bremner: not recently.
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13:43 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix error-message typo - Matthew Flatt
13:43 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/cmdline add `#:ps' clause - Matthew Flatt
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15:39 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fixes PR12799, but it would be cool to support syntax/parse directly - Jay McCarthy
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16:49 danking: Is there a procedure that maps from structs to predicates for structs of its kind?
16:50 danking: Something less fragile than checking the struct->vector struct:id.
16:50 jonrafkind: any struct should create a foo? predicate I think
16:50 jonrafkind: yes it is so
16:50 danking: jonrafkind: But supposing, I am passed one of three different structs and I'd like a generic procedure to return the associated predicate.
16:51 jonrafkind: ah
16:51 jonrafkind: not that I know of other than the struct->vector thing
16:51 jonrafkind: you would have to have the static struct name available to get stuff out of it
16:51 jonrafkind: but if you just have hte runtime object you are limited
16:52 danking: :/ I don't want to use that because I have no faith in myself to avoid running into situations where I have two structs with the same name but different sources.
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16:56 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Allow vector-append to take zero arguments - Justin Slepak
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17:17 samth: danking: there's a way to create the predicate from the struct-info
17:18 danking: samth: nice, thanks
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20:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] images/flomap: public interface to floating-point bitmaps used by ray tracer - Neil Toronto
20:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fixed whirl morph test - Neil Toronto
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20:23 _gcr: I want to debug Racket internals. Is there a good way of doing this other than edit /usr/lib/racket/collects/scribble/... as root and insert (displayln) calls willy-nilly?
20:25 bremner: can't you at least change the load path so you can edit a copy of whatever?
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20:28 jonrafkind: _gcr, you can run racket from a local directory so you dont have to be root
20:28 _gcr: jonrafkind: You mean creating an in-place build?
20:28 jonrafkind: yea
20:29 jonrafkind: i never install racket to /usr
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20:35 asumu: I keep various racket installs in a $HOME/plt folder.
20:35 asumu: And use some scripts that eli wrote to manage which install I use.
20:36 asumu: (see https://github.com/takikawa/racket-dev-goodies)
20:37 _gcr: Aha! This looks nice; thanks! Is there any special way to debug things?
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22:57 RPR: All, I know its not Racket but we're looking for smart folks for Scala and Dart / GWT-like development.   Typical Ecommerce type stuff, but cutting edge tech stack.  Full time.  Remote/Tele is possible.  ray.racine@gmail.com
22:59 jonrafkind: dart? for realz?
23:05 _gcr: Can mortals send mail to dev@racket-lang.org?
23:05 _gcr tries anyway
23:06 chandler: RPR: I think you've definitely got the wrong channel.
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23:08 RPR: <sigh>  No fan of Dart, but alternatives are few.  Get by the syntax and its more Smalltalk, dynamic then is on the surface.
23:09 RPR: chandler, Not necessarily.  Smart coders hang here.  I like hiring smart coders.  Scala/Dart software development ain't the worst way to make a buck.
23:10 RPR: Anyway, sorry for the "commercial interruption"
23:11 asumu: _gcr: Yes, it's totally public.
23:11 asumu: (you may need to be subscribed or something)
23:20 _gcr: Awesome! My university email's dead though and this is better as a bug report (detailing broken links in scribbled planet documentation)
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