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00:21 asumu: eli: Hi, saw your email and just replied.
00:22 eli: asumu: yeah, that's the best I could think of.
00:22 eli: But I wouldn't surprised if nothing comes out of it.
00:25 asumu: eli: BTW, do you think it would be beneficial to merge DrRacket into a section of Racket? (and leave a redirect)
00:26 asumu: As it stands, the DrRacket article is rather short and maybe not useful standalone.
00:26 asumu: I suspect part of the C rating is article length.
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00:29 eli: asumu: I don't have an opinion on that...
00:29 asumu: Alright. In that case I may just do it. Unless do you think anyone else will?
00:29 eli: (And if length is an issue, that would be easy to fix...)
00:29 eli: Maybe ask on the list?
00:30 asumu: Ok.
00:31 eli: (Actually, it looks short compared to what it does, that maybe should be extended...)
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00:39 asumu: In that case, it could just be a fairly large section of the Racket article.
00:39 asumu: Seeing how gigantic articles like "Firefox" are, I think that's the way to go.
00:39 eli: But that would be distracting from the main subject...
00:40 eli: Actually that firefox page has a bunch of things that could be added to racket.
00:40 eli: A chronology of major features + dates/versions that they were added.
00:41 eli: Licensing.
00:41 eli: Standards.
00:41 eli: Early history.
00:42 eli: Portability.
00:42 asumu: That's true. Though I actually find the Firefox page ridiculously detailed about things like versioning.
00:42 asumu: I wonder if it's really necessary.
00:43 asumu: But yes, definitely the general outline is applicable and we could fill it up quite quickly.
00:44 jonrafkind: asumu, internet 101: post links
00:44 asumu: Oh sorry.
00:44 eli: You could probably get a bunch of people to help, if each is writing some specific part.
00:45 jonrafkind: asumu, did you write the C hygiene issue?
00:46 jonrafkind: the C example on the hygienic macro page
00:46 asumu: jonrafkind: Nope.
00:46 asumu: That was there when I started working on it.
00:46 jonrafkind: oh ok, well its terrible, maybe ill think of a better one
00:46 asumu: Argh, I forgot the macro page links. I need to sleep.
00:47 (topic) -: Racket -- http://racket-lang.org -- logs at http://racket-lang.org/irc-logs/
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00:48 jonrafkind: you didn't have to mention my name :p
00:48 jonrafkind: oh well, whats done is done
00:48 asumu: Oh, I was trying to give credit. Ah well.
00:48 jonrafkind: someone complained to me last time i publically asked for a link on the mailing list, they replied back with a 'let me google that for you' response
00:48 jonrafkind: which is imo the epitomy of asshattery
00:49 jonrafkind: actually you know who it is because the response is public
00:49 asumu: If I felt like looking it up anyway. Anyway, it's a fair point and I appreciate you pointing it out.
00:51 jonrafkind: eli, ping
00:51 eli: jonrafkind: Yeah, that works.
00:51 jonrafkind: k
00:51 eli: (Some problem with threads in the bot.)
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10:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Link to racketcon from the community page. - Eli Barzilay
10:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Recommend using `racket' rather than `gracket-text' in the handin quickstart. - Eli Barzilay
10:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] No need to use a new 'at-exp-prop property to identify newlines - Eli Barzilay
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10:45 fathernelson: Hey guys, not really a 'scheme' question, per se, but what is a good website to copy/paste/share code snippets on the net?
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10:45 asumu: fathernelson: https://gist.github.com/
10:45 jeapostrophe: fathernelson: github gists
10:46 asumu: also http://paste.lisp.org/
10:47 fathernelson: asmu: Thanks! Appreciate it!
10:47 fathernelson: asumu: Thanks!
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11:14 jeapostrophe: samth: var is cool. will you make this optimize?
11:14 samth: that's one thing we'd like to do
11:15 samth: you should check out our paper draft
11:15 jeapostrophe: that's what i'm reading
11:16 jeapostrophe: i looked through the examples directory too
11:16 jeapostrophe: some of the programs are surprising in that it works, you know?
11:16 samth: which ones?
11:16 jeapostrophe: some of the contortions are a little strange though, like sort.rkt with the accumulator
11:18 samth: jeapostrophe: yes, tail recursion works a lot better for the simple termination heuristics
11:18 samth: (ie, doe redex recognize the cycle)
11:18 jeapostrophe: makes sense
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13:55 samth: friscosam: just haven't added it yet
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15:33 Haffe: Hello, in the drawing toolkit. Is there a way to draw a bitmap that is scaled? I.e. 50% of the original.
15:35 asumu: Haffe: Yes, if you have a dc<%> you can set the scale and then draw the bitmap.
15:35 Haffe: Ok.
15:35 asumu: You'll want to set the scale back if you draw anything else
15:36 Haffe: So something like (send painter scale 0.5)
15:36 asumu: Yeah.
15:36 Haffe: (send painter draw-bitmap filename) ?
15:36 asumu: draw-bitmap takes a bitmap% as an argument, so you'll need to make one of those.
15:36 asumu: rudybot: ^ doc bitmap%
15:36 rudybot: asumu: Hmm, radix trees are described as only being able to store prefix free sets. But you can include a bitmap to indicate that a prefix terminates at that bit.
15:36 asumu: rudybot: doc bitmap%
15:36 rudybot: asumu: your sandbox is ready
15:36 rudybot: asumu: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: racket/draw
15:37 asumu: rudybot: (require racket/draw)
15:37 rudybot: asumu: Done.
15:37 asumu: rudybot: doc bitmap%
15:37 rudybot: asumu: http://docs.racket-lang.org/draw/bitmap_.html
15:37 asumu: ^
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15:39 jonrafkind: how do you get `render-metafunction' to typeset properly
15:39 jonrafkind: the resulting pict just stretches across the page
15:40 asumu: jonrafkind: depends on what you mean by properly. You can set some style options.
15:41 asumu: Or use re-writers to replace terms with other symbols.
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15:43 jonrafkind: ok the text in the metafunction is way too big
15:43 jonrafkind: text size
15:44 jonrafkind: font size :p whatever
15:44 asumu: You can just set a different font size. I forget the exact parameter to use.
15:44 jonrafkind: maybe i want metafunction->pict since it sets dc->font-size or whatever
15:45 jonrafkind: well that wasn't it..
15:45 jonrafkind: hm i probably need a figure too
15:47 jonrafkind: well thats a little better, now the figure has a proper bounding box, but the font is still too large
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16:10 asumu: eli: what talk are you referring to in your e-mail?
16:11 Cryovat: Mailing list action?
16:11 asumu: Yeah.
16:11 samth: a draft that matthew sent to a smaller number of people that recieved eli's email
16:18 asumu: samth: is it secret or can you tell us what it's about?
16:18 asumu: Or is the content irrelevant to the e-mail?
16:18 samth: content is irrelevant, but it's a racket promotional talk
16:18 asumu: Ok.
16:19 Haffe: Ok, I tried to do this.
16:20 Haffe: (send (send tmp-canvas get-dc) draw-bitmap (read-bitmap "usa.png"))
16:20 Haffe: There seems to be something I don't understand about the draw-bitmap syntax.
16:20 Cryovat: Is usa.png a picture of an eagle in front of a flapping flag?
16:21 Haffe: No.
16:21 Haffe: It's an old picture of me for my passport application last time I visited the united states.
16:21 Cryovat: Hehe
16:27 asumu: rudybot: (require racket/draw)
16:27 rudybot: asumu: Done.
16:28 Cryovat: Cool procrastrination project idea: Module for rudybot that lets it output racket/draw stuff as ASCII art ;)
16:28 jonrafkind: cool way to piss off everyone in #racket
16:28 jonrafkind: i volunteer!
16:29 Cryovat: Haha
16:29 asumu: rudybot: doc draw-bitmap
16:29 rudybot: asumu: not found in any library's documentation: draw-bitmap
16:29 asumu: Huh.
16:29 asumu: Haffe: draw-bitmap takes two more arguments.
16:30 asumu: Cryovat: that would only be okay if it put it in a pastebin or something.
16:30 Cryovat: Hehe
16:33 Haffe: asumu: Thanks a lot.
16:33 Haffe: That solved my problem.
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17:12 danking: Am I crazy or should the set a and the set b in this case be `equal?' https://gist.github.com/2589549
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17:28 jonrafkind: how do you do if/else in redex without escaping to racket?
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17:28 jonrafkind: i guess side conditions
17:28 PfhatWork: How would I go about prepending a name to the front of an identifier?
17:29 PfhatWork: I basically want this object to be named [prefix]name
17:29 jonrafkind: you mean in a macro?
17:29 PfhatWork: yeah
17:30 jonrafkind: format-identifier
17:30 PfhatWork: I'm not seeing that in the reference
17:30 PfhatWork: oh, format-id?
17:31 jonrafkind: format-id
17:31 jonrafkind: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/syntax-util.html?q=format-identifier#(def._((lib._racket/syntax..rkt)._format-id))
17:31 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/7ypd82e
17:31 PfhatWork: Thanks :)
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22:27 em: Rails is to Ruby as Django is to Python as ___________ is to Racket.
22:27 em: Fill in the blank to complete the analogy.
22:32 jonrafkind: the answer is blank
22:32 jonrafkind: what do I win
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