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03:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.3.0.3. - Eli Barzilay
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05:25 tim-brown: morning all
05:25 tim-brown: is there a module for handling xml namspaces within xexprs (or xml structures)?
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08:57 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix PR 12694 - Jay McCarthy
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09:38 JohAn___: I've  got a problem, I need to flush my mouse buffer; is there some way to do that?
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09:52 flying_rhino: in case anyone want's to learn more here's wiki about entity systems http://entity-systems.wikidot.com/ and here's the best overall explanation of what is entity system that I have found http://t-machine.org/index.php/2007/09/03/entity-systems-are-the-future-of-mmog-development-part-1/
09:52 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/63l3bc
09:54 samth: ambrosebs: the `Scope' constructor is a marker that it's the body of a binder
09:54 flying_rhino: *wants
09:54 samth: for that implementation, the best place to look is Conor McBride's paper "I am not a number, I am a free variable"
09:55 samth: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.66.6645
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10:18 asumu: tim-brown: I think the ssax2 package on PLaneT might do XML namespaces.
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10:19 asumu: But I don't think the xml library in core Racket does.
10:19 asumu: Could be wrong though, I rarely use it.
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10:44 tim-brown: asumu: ssax produces a different structure to the racket xml parser
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10:45 tim-brown: i don't think racket xml has namespace support, but before i spent time implementing it, i'm making sure i'm not duplicating effort
10:47 samth: tim-brown: jay mccarthy is the xml library maintainer, you could ask him
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10:54 tim-brown: samth: does he skulk around here at all?
10:54 samth: sometimes, as jeapostrope
10:54 samth: but really, email is usually the best way to contact people
10:54 tim-brown: sure thing
10:54 samth: just send an email to the dev list
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16:09 BW^-: does racket have green threads?
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16:09 stamourv: BW^-: Yes.
16:10 BW^-: stamourv: does it also have OS threads support?
16:10 stamourv: Yes.
16:10 stamourv: rudybot: doc place
16:10 rudybot: stamourv: your sandbox is ready
16:10 rudybot: stamourv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/places.html#(form._((lib._racket%2Fplace..rkt)._place))
16:10 stamourv: rudybot: doc future
16:10 rudybot: stamourv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/futures.html#(def._((lib._racket%2Ffuture..rkt)._future))
16:10 BW^-: stamourv: where can i read about this?
16:10 stamourv: BW^-: ^
16:11 BW^-: what are these two called in Racket?
16:11 BW^-: so.. aha
16:14 samth: BW^-: green threads are created with the `thread' construct in Racket
16:14 samth: rudybot: doc thread
16:14 rudybot: samth: your sandbox is ready
16:14 rudybot: samth: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/threads.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._thread))
16:19 BW^-: stamourv: can the future mechanism be used to create OS threads for arbitrary purposes?
16:20 BW^-: can one make some kind of work stealing scheme across a number of OS threads, where they together execute a bunch of green threads - when an OS thread runs out of work it steals work from the OS threads?
16:20 stamourv: I believe futures already do work stealing.
16:20 stamourv: That's the kind of things that futures usually provide, so that you can work at a higher level.
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16:21 BW^-: mhm
16:22 BW^-: stamourv: can this be set up to run in some kind of 'raw' fashion i.e. the OS threads just work and don't bother about what the gren threads actually do (mutations, the fact that they never return a result)?
16:23 BW^-: is racket/base the "internal" racket language?
16:24 stamourv: Re raw threads: I don't know.
16:25 stamourv: Re racket/base, it's not really the internal language. racket/base has a very stripped down standard library, but is still Racket.
16:25 stamourv: #%kernel is lower-level, but is still somewhat recognizable.
16:26 stamourv: Programming in it is a pain, though, so only the very lower-parts of racket/base are implemented using it.
16:28 samth: BW^-: probably if you want to implement your own work stealing system, places are the right thing to use
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16:49 BW^-: samth: aha.
16:55 BW^-: are there any recent performance measurements of Racket?
16:56 BW^-: can optimizations of the code be made live? (say that a + operation shows up during runtime to process only fixnums, would that + operation then be switched to a variant optimized for this automatically)
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16:58 samth: BW^-: what do you mean by "recent"?
16:58 samth: and no, the jit compiler doesn't re-optimize based on runtime information
17:00 samth: see http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/racket.php for example
17:04 BW^-: samth: mhm. by jit compiler, you mean that racket has an internal bytecode intermediary form, which is converted to the cpu's native code, yes?
17:04 samth: BW^-: yes
17:05 samth: when a procedure is invoked the first time, it's compiled to machine code
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17:06 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Changed the transparency of some bundled images. - Stephen Bloch
17:06 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Updated some comments; no effect on running code. - Stephen Bloch
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21:47 bill_h: My DrRacket definitions Window background is turning blue after I run the code: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129159  Am I doing something wrong?
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21:48 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/draw cocoa: adjust default 'script font - Matthew Flatt
21:48 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/gui win32: font fallback for labels - Matthew Flatt
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22:55 asumu: bill_h: Oh... that's weird. It colors my interactions pane background.
22:56 asumu: Oh, and the definitions area.
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22:56 asumu: Looks like a bug.
22:58 asumu: bill_h: It'd be great if you could submit a bug report for that.
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