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00:27 DraX: is there a better way to do the matching bits in `extract-microdata' : http://90107b24d9412b3c.paste.se/ ?
00:29 mithos28: why are you making an assoc list using for/list
00:29 mithos28: why not (map cons keys values)
00:29 DraX: because i didn't know map would zip multiple lists
00:29 DraX: first piece of racket i've ever written..
00:29 mithos28: ah
00:30 DraX: changed that
00:30 mithos28: So I haven't fully parsed what it is doing, but the use of set! and one armed conditionals is not idiomatic racket
00:31 mithos28: they are ok sometimes, but usually there are cleaner ways of doing the same thing
00:31 DraX: yeah, i figured
00:32 DraX: the only lisp i actually ever write is elisp
00:33 mithos28: Also usually cons pairs are not used except to make lists, a structure is used instead
00:33 mithos28: It looked like very lispy
00:33 mithos28: attrs is supposed to be a map of keys to values?
00:34 DraX: yes
00:34 mithos28: There are hash maps in racket, which are more common than assoc lists
00:35 mithos28: you can use them with the for loops and they return two values the key and the values
00:35 mithos28: value*
00:36 DraX: ok i'll have to reprogram my brain to use structures instead
00:36 mithos28: Actually I don't think you are using cons pairs besides the assoc list
00:37 DraX: the box has a cons list in it
00:37 mithos28: thats a list
00:38 mithos28: cons list = list
00:38 DraX: switching to a hash would be better
00:38 DraX: assoc isn't exactly optimal
00:38 mithos28: I was saying where you were using cons where the cdr was not a list was not idiomatic
00:39 DraX: the alist
00:39 mithos28: right
00:41 DraX: i'm not seeing a quick way to take two lists to build a hash in the guide, am i missing some obvious function?
00:42 mithos28: no, because how do you know that the lists are the same size
00:42 mithos28: there is make-hash
00:42 mithos28: there is also for/hash
00:42 mithos28: (for/hash ((k key) (v value)) (values k v))
00:42 mithos28: or (make-hash (map cons key value))
00:44 DraX: for/hash is not in the iteration guide (it is in the reference)
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00:44 mithos28: the iteration guide?
00:45 mithos28: the guide section on iteration?
00:45 DraX: the guide section in iteration
00:45 DraX: http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/for.html
00:45 mithos28: yeah, the guide is not meant to be comprehensive
00:46 mithos28: the reference is
00:46 mithos28: the guide is meant to be more readable and approachable
00:46 mithos28: but at the cost of missing some things
00:47 DraX: yeah the balance isn't quite right for me *shrug*
00:47 DraX: i've found the reference to detailed to use directly, and the guide not detailed enough to cover my questions
00:48 mithos28: Its hard to find a nice balance
00:48 DraX: agree
00:50 mithos28: so for the for loop over the attrs I would move the set! outside the loop
00:50 mithos28: so make the loop return the list
00:51 mithos28: and then instead of using set! move that for loop to the initialization argument of the itemscope
00:52 mithos28: and the same thing with the other forloop
00:52 mithos28: move the set-box! outside of the loop
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01:11 DraX: can't collapse the attrs forloop into the itemscope initializer because the itemprops are found in child-nodes of the itemscope
01:28 mithos28: what does your code look like now?
01:33 DraX: http://4bf6c05665fc54ee.paste.se/ the commented out part actually works, the not commented part is me fiddling around
01:35 mithos28: So an itemscope can contain itself as a value in a property?
01:37 DraX: no, the distinction is scope vs new-scope
01:38 mithos28: ah, ok
01:39 mithos28: instead of using (flatten (map …)) you can use filter-map
01:40 mithos28: rudybot: doc filter-map
01:40 rudybot: mithos28: your sandbox is ready
01:40 rudybot: mithos28: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/pairs.html#(def._((lib._racket%2Flist..rkt)._filter-map))
01:41 DraX: i think i actually can skip the lists their entirely
01:41 DraX: i cribed the list thing from one of the reference examples, but it's not needed here
01:42 mithos28: yeah you can do a for/fold with string append
01:42 mithos28: what type of values does extract-html5-value return? Both strings and itemscopes?
01:43 DraX: yes
01:43 DraX: it's an incomplete implementation, but the types won't change
01:47 mithos28: Ok, I'm fairly confused on what the actual algorithm is, but I hope I helped a bit
01:49 DraX: yeah you did
01:50 DraX: if you're interested it's basically http://dev.w3.org/html5/md/#converting-html-to-other-formats
01:50 DraX: except a recursive version
01:51 DraX: i think that particular version is super outdated
01:51 DraX: but it covers the jist
01:52 DraX: i've written it in cpp and js for work, so i figured it would be a good thing to learn a new language with
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11:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] adjust plai's gc2/mutator so that primitive applications are - Robby Findler
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12:06 danking: How do I force racket to "write" or "display" Syntax objects as just symbols, or, at least, some sane SEXP? I keep getting #</blah/blah a-symbol> .
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12:07 jonrafkind: danking, (syntax->datum #'foo)
12:08 danking: jonrafkind: I have a non-homogenous structure of both syntax and non-syntax, so I need something that will recur through the structure.
12:09 danking: I've started writing just that, but I can't imagine someone hasn't done this already.
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12:13 danking: I don't that preserves a lot of information, I just need something that I can visually examine easily.
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13:32 didi: Is there something equivalent of python's `'foo'.center(42)' in Racket? The idea is to center the string using `42' as a guide.
13:39 didi: Hum, there is srfi/13's `string-pad'.
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13:44 didi: Oh well, I will try to come up with something.
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16:51 track0x1: hey can someone help me out with something?
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16:52 Kaylin: probably not but
16:52 Kaylin: you should say what it is
16:52 Kaylin: and by probably not I mean I can't
16:52 track0x1: haha, life issues- jk
16:52 Kaylin: surely somebody can
16:52 jonrafkind: you want to move 20 kilos of dope?
16:52 track0x1: jonrafkind: close enough ;)
16:53 track0x1: what I am trying to do is make a function to count how many of any kind of atom i have in a list of pairs
16:53 Kaylin: I recommend copy-port, you don't wnt to be holding that dope very long
16:54 track0x1: so far i made my function with a condition of if the list of pairs is null, it'll give me 0... and otherwise i want to add 1 and then call my function again with the next item in the list
16:54 Kaylin: and so you have a list of pairs? like formatted as ((1 2) (3 3) (1 6))
16:54 Kaylin: and you want to count the 3's?
16:54 track0x1: exactly
16:54 Kaylin: and you call it by passing it a list and an atom or what now?
16:55 track0x1: yeah, those are my parameters... the issue i see right now is that i can never figure out how to call my function to see the elements
16:55 track0x1: if that makes sense
16:55 track0x1: AH! epiphany i think.
16:55 Kaylin: oh?
16:56 track0x1: I have another function that I can check if an atom is part of a list...however that only returns #t or #f
16:57 track0x1: oh maybe ill use that idea for my conditional
17:00 Kaylin: I'd check if the input was null, if it's null return it, if it's not null then you have a list with elements or an atom, so check if it's an atom check if it's the value you want, if it is return it cons your function on the cdr, if not call your function on the cdr. if it's a list call your function on the car and on the cdr and cons the result, and god I hope I didn't screw anything up there I didn't get much sleep.
17:01 Kaylin: (does that make any f'ing sense)
17:03 rapacity: do you need to make the function ?
17:03 rapacity: can't you just use count ?
17:03 track0x1: i am reading what Kaylin wrote, i just tried what i had and it kind-of works
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17:05 track0x1: Kaylin: it seems to make sense, but i'm just using + instead of cons to get a number of how many x's (what i search for) there are in a (x y) list of pairs
17:06 Kaylin: ah yea
17:06 Kaylin: I was making a list of those
17:06 Kaylin: sorry
17:06 Kaylin: yea use + and also read what rapacity wrote
17:08 track0x1: i'm not sure... what i have should work based on the logic, care to take a look?
17:09 Kaylin: sure I suppose
17:09 Kaylin: somebody will prob figure it out before me though but couldn't hurt -.-
17:10 track0x1: http://pastebin.com/NiL0t6bg is what i have
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17:12 Kaylin is finishing reading this ADA source first, sec.
17:13 track0x1: lol
17:13 track0x1: ok
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17:16 track0x1: Kaylin: Ah! I think I got it.
17:16 Kaylin: nice :)
17:17 track0x1: Yes! score!! I added (else + 0 (num-pairs x (cdr lop))) and that allowed me to add up how many list's of pairs contained the actual atom. Thank you for the help!
17:19 Kaylin: hah if you say so idk how helpful I actually was but you're welcome.
17:19 track0x1: Kaylin: just accept it, lol
17:21 Kaylin: kay
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18:16 track0x1: Kaylin: would you mind taking a look at this: http://pastebin.com/MVQVB8ki ?
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18:18 track0x1: whenever I run lets say (tot? '(a b c d e z) '((a a) (b b) (c c))) I get true... but it should be false because z is not in the list of pairs
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18:23 Kaylin: sec on phone :X
18:25 track0x1: ok, thanks
18:30 track0x1: Kaylin: Ah! I got it again! Haha
18:30 track0x1: it seems that every time I ask for help I suddenly have an  awakening
18:30 Kaylin: hah
18:30 Kaylin: sorry Iw as on the phone with a doctor I only got through diagraming one of these -.-
18:30 track0x1: it's all good!
18:31 track0x1: what brings everyone in here anyways?
18:31 track0x1: not many people have been too talkative
18:31 jonrafkind: most people just sit in irc channels not saying anything
18:31 Kaylin: no idea, I came in here last week looking for somebody to explain a regular expression to me, bc I was playing around with
18:32 track0x1: jonrafkind: that sounds kind of pointless!
18:32 Kaylin: the tcp stuff in racket
18:32 jonrafkind: you can read what other people say
18:32 Kaylin: and then decided to stay here
18:32 jonrafkind: and if you care to join in the conversation you can
18:32 jonrafkind: joining irc costs nothing, so theres little reason not to do it if you have even the slightest interest in the topic
18:32 track0x1: Kaylin: whoaaaa, tcp & racket? like... are you saying racket actually has some practical application?
18:32 Kaylin: racket has FUN as a practical application
18:33 track0x1: i see it as sooo utilitarian
18:33 track0x1: like more of a tool to get quick things done rather than lengthy programs
18:33 Kaylin: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/tcp.html?q=tcp
18:34 Kaylin: I see it as a useful language for giving me a different way of thinking about programming.
18:34 track0x1: Kaylin: what kind of application were you doing with TCP?
18:34 track0x1: and i completely agree.
18:34 Kaylin: totally just messing around with it
18:34 track0x1: with other languages and loops, things are almost too easy.
18:35 track0x1: i'm not sure if thats something i should really say, just because sometimes easy is efficient and  time = money
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18:36 track0x1: are most of you in college or is everyone here a mix?
18:38 Kaylin: made some junk to echo lines I typed into telnet, grabbed web pages and stuff off the internet, connected to a really shitty 5 person IRC server and crashed it by accident
18:38 track0x1: Kaylin: lmao @ the crashing part
18:38 Kaylin: uh, I think that's all I did
18:38 Kaylin: look the server exploded when I gave it a line that was longer than IRC's max length
18:39 Kaylin: I figured it would have just ignored it or d/c'd me or something
18:39 Kaylin: it's ok though it was just on my friend's computer we laughed a bit
18:39 track0x1: hahaha!
18:40 Kaylin: he's banned from freenode for some reason, and refuses to even try to do anything  about it, he's a stubborn prick
18:40 track0x1: lmao
18:40 track0x1: you banned your friend!? woooow
18:40 Kaylin: but yea I'm in college myself, I was taking a class on functional programming this quarter
18:40 Kaylin: I did not
18:40 Kaylin: he got banned
18:40 Kaylin: I have NO idea how
18:40 track0x1: ohh, i thought you meant via the crashing
18:40 Kaylin: no
18:41 Kaylin: and the class used racket and I decided I liked racket a lot
18:41 Kaylin: I can't really explain why
18:41 Kaylin: I guess I think it's just pretty cool
18:41 Kaylin: -.-
18:41 track0x1: i'm in college as well but this course is more for discrete mathematics with a hint of racket
18:41 track0x1: have much experience with other languages?
18:42 Kaylin: some C/C++, and robotC lol, um, my school teaches in ADA for some reason, I mean ok I can see why they do it, but yea that.  and javascript if you want to count that as a language -.- oh and LUA from writing wow addons.
18:43 Kaylin: idk I guess that's it
18:43 Kaylin: I'm not a high level cs student yet =/
18:43 Kaylin: soon!
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18:43 track0x1: nice! that's awesome
18:44 track0x1: i'm a cybersecurity major over here
18:44 Kaylin: that sounds super fun! idk if they offer that here, I don't really think so. :(
18:45 track0x1: the degree isn't actually offered at too many places
18:45 Kaylin: they have BA math/cs, BS math/cs, BS cs, idk what else related to that
18:45 track0x1: primarily the reason i am at the school i am at is because they offered it
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18:52 Kaylin: ugh
18:52 Kaylin: why can't I make myself go do other things -.-
18:54 track0x1: i'm about to.
18:54 track0x1: I've been on my computer for the last 4 hours
18:55 track0x1: I totally want to finish this last function though, lol
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19:17 track0x1: I'm heading out now, take care everyone!
19:18 Diarmid: track0x1: For what it's worth, I'm not in a college or university.  I decided to try taking up Lisp as a replacement for what I use Python for.
19:19 track0x1: Diarmid: awesome! Success so far?
19:19 Diarmid: Mostly because I ran into a problem where I wanted deep (non-tail) recursion, and Python doesn't let you do that except by mutilating the code to manually manage the stack.  Before then, my Python stuff had always been 'pretty'.  I also ran into a actual /need/ for closures in part of a program, though it so happened Python's lambda did fine.
19:19 (nick) ozzloy -> racket
19:19 racket: how is it the case that no one else took this name already?
19:19 track0x1: See racket is basically like python... just not "as" lightweight
19:20 track0x1: Who knows!
19:20 (nick) racket -> ozzloy
19:20 track0x1: Anyways, i've got to head out. Dinner! Wooh
19:20 Diarmid: track0x1: Racket and JassScheme and Clojure(JVM)/Clozure(CLR) all compare pretty favorably to Python.  Racket actually has more 'batteries included', with two exceptions.
19:20 ozzloy: what are those exceptions?
19:20 track0x1: Diarmid: Interesting
19:21 track0x1: Sorry I wish I could talk more, i'll hop on later for discussion!
19:21 (quit) track0x1: Quit: Gotta run!
19:21 Diarmid: track0x1: Racket isn't as good, out of the box, at text formatting (vital, for sysadmin stuff).  The fmt library fixes that.  The other is it doesn't have any sound support built in.  The RSound library (and dependencies) fixes that.
19:21 ozzloy: ic
19:22 Diarmid: track0x1: Although Python definitely does *not* have this, I wanted SRE support, and irregex adds that to Racket.  Other than that, I haven't seen anything I even want to add.  It's pretty sweet.  I only messed with Lisp much for EMACS, and that was about a decade ago.  This is my first time trying to use it for anything else, and I never really learned the weird stuff like call/cc, though I think I understand it.
19:25 Diarmid: I'd like to add some features from other languages as domain-specific languages, once I get good enough.  SNOBOL/Unicon style pattern matching would be awfully nice, though I'd prefer the state (e.g. pos) be passed around in return values rather than global variables.  Anything that makes messing with text, files, and processes easier.
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19:56 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] ryanc is responsible for tests/data - Ryan Culpepper
19:56 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] macro-debugger: right-click also changes syntax selection - Ryan Culpepper
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20:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/RGqmCg
20:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Pass temporary value for `Un' along in recursive call in `substitute'. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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