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05:03 tim-brown: I was talking to a friend about programming, and he used the phrase "hash tables are the only mutable structures I use". He was referring to programming in OCaml. Got me thinking... is there any merit in passing immutable hash tables (and returning their mutated forms) around racket programs. Especially in terms of performance?
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11:31 stamourv: tim-brown: An advantage of immutable hash tables is that they don't rely on side effects. Different parts of the program can have different versions of te hash table, and nothing gets clobbered.
11:31 stamourv: That's pretty handy for symbol tables, for example.
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11:33 stamourv: Performance wise, I'm purely speculating, but depending on the GC, to do mutation, you may need to go through a write barrier, which can be costly. So the cost of allocating and collecting more (in the immutable case) could end up being less.
11:33 stamourv: Oh, and Racket's immutable hash tables aren't actually hash tables, they're red-black trees.
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12:16 tim-brown: stamourv: thanks
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12:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] drscheme => drracket - Robby Findler
12:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] adjust the way internal errors are shown in DrRacket - Robby Findler
12:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Lost the snipclass with the name (lib "collapsed-snipclass.ss" "framework") - Robby Findler
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13:14 danking: what's the name of the bot running racket in here?
13:14 bremner: rudybot
13:14 bremner: but he is mia
13:15 bremner: as is his master.
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13:27 danking: Alternatively, Why does for/first not permit returning multiple values, a la (for/first ((e (in-set (set 1))) (values e #f))
13:27 danking: It doesn't seem like for/first should care.
13:27 danking: It appears rudybot is not in the channel :/
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14:19 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/Kz7jng
14:19 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] added racket/future to racket (the docs already say that it is included) - Robby Findler
14:19 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] adjust drracket test files to use 'gracket' instead of 'racket' in drdr - Robby Findler
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15:36 stamourv: eli: Is there a non-mzlib equivalent to `mzlib/compile''s `compile-file'?
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15:40 stamourv: eli: I think I found something. `managed-compile-zo' seems to do what I want. Doesn't have as searchable a name as `compile-file', though.
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16:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/zsQtpg
16:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] note re-export of racket/future - Matthew Flatt
16:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] add `prop:cpointer' - Matthew Flatt
16:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix test to not write to stderr - Matthew Flatt
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17:40 Sicp: there's a sort of shortcut in DrRacket that will show all available functions
17:40 Sicp: like in NetBeans, Eclipse, etc...
17:41 Sicp: I pressed it by mistake the other day and couldn't find it again
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17:45 Sicp: it's ctrl + /
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18:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Move post-processing of missed optimization inside Performance Report. - Vincent St-Amour
18:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Wait for compile-time logs to be processed before running optimizer tests. - Vincent St-Amour
18:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix tests. - Vincent St-Amour
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20:08 ozzloy: http://evincarofautumn.blogspot.com/2012/02/why-concatenative-programming-matters.html i'd like to hear thoughts on this from people in here
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