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10:17 RPR: samth_away: If you have a moment...  I can't seem to get the read/hash procedure to type check.
10:18 RPR: samth_away: https://gist.github.com/1657339
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10:33 samth: RPR: looking at it now
10:33 RPR: thx
10:44 samth: RPR: the problem is that TR is doing something wrong with the literal #hasheq()
10:44 samth: which is part of the expansion of the macro
10:45 RPR: ok.  I'll just rewrite it without for/hasheq for now.
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11:31 samth: RPR: you do know about dherman's json planet package, right?
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12:03 gf3: (which is broken)
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13:28 RPR: samth: That _is_ his package.
13:28 RPR: Well a cut and paste where I was adding typing.
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13:33 jaimef: thank god for racket sanity
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13:35 ianjneu: Where by god you mean Matthew Flatt
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13:35 jaimef: well having fought sbcl and hutchentoot just to realize one requires threads, and the other by default does not support them on a given platform :P
13:36 jaimef: will take green threads any day over non-portable thread implementations
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13:45 jaimef hunts for a good web framework
13:52 samth: jaimef: http://docs.racket-lang.org/continue/index.html
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14:06 jaimef: samth: thanks
14:06 jaimef: love the documentation and consistency of racket so damn much having climbed the CL* learning curves just to be very disappointed
14:08 samth: jaimef: glad you like it
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14:17 chandler: jaimef: documentation is a huge advantage to racket. I was a long time CLer, but what the Racket folks have built up is very compelling, and does a lot of things well that aren't very common.
14:22 jaimef: sometimes you just want to be production, and not learn "this cl requires this species of chicken to be sacrificed to work"
14:23 jaimef: s/production/productive/g
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14:28 jaimef: honestly #!/usr/bin/racket is the nicest feature
14:30 chandler: It's definitely nice. The thing that impressed me most coming from CL was racket/gui. How many other languages or implementations - Lisp, Scheme, or otherwise - have an equivalent like that which just works out of the box?
14:36 jaimef: guess elisp does not count :P
14:36 jaimef: the schemer books help a lot as well imho
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15:13 ASau: Good evening!
15:13 ASau: Remind me, please, does racket have tests I could run with "make"?
15:14 jonrafkind: if you goto collects/tests there are some tests you can run
15:14 jonrafkind: collects/tests/racket $ racket -f quiet.rftl
15:14 jonrafkind: rktl
15:15 ASau: Does it work without installation?
15:15 jonrafkind: well.. you dont have to install racket ever. you can compile and run it in place
15:15 jonrafkind: but you have to build racket at least
15:16 ASau: Yeah, sure :)
15:16 ASau: Oh, and while I'm here.
15:16 ASau: Is it alright to send mail to developer's list?
15:16 jonrafkind: yea
15:17 ASau: I've sent error report and got message that it waits for approval.
15:17 jonrafkind: most likely eli will just add you to the mailing list
15:17 jonrafkind: so you wont get that problem anymore
15:17 ASau: Well... I don't want to get another stream of mails...
15:18 ASau: I'm testing fix and shall report soon.
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15:30 mithos28: What is the standard way of dealing with native dependencies when distributing racket libraries? I am planning on getting my llvm bindings to releasability but need to figure out how to get my c++ wrapper files to compile on other peoples machines.
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15:39 ASau: Was sirmail removed or do I miss some dependency?
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15:48 mithos28: ASau: It should still be there, AFAIK Matthew still uses it
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16:28 scyrmion: I'm having difficulty using a c library with the ffi. Is there a way to import a struct type from the definition in the c library?
16:30 ianjneu: I believe dherman has a package for that on planet.
16:30 scyrmion: I'll check it out.
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16:56 ASau: mithos28: it isn't installed here.
16:57 ASau: mithos28: I mean, it isn't _being_ installed.
16:57 ASau: Does it need some additional steps?
16:58 mithos28: how are you installing racket?
16:58 ASau: "make install" as usual. :)
16:58 mithos28: from source?
16:59 ASau: Sure.
16:59 jonrafkind: ASau, it doesnt get installed to the local paths, it just stays in the tree
16:59 jonrafkind: so you will end up with plt/bin/racket and whatnot
16:59 ASau: Ah, alright.
17:00 jonrafkind: i think you can force it to install to /usr or whatever if you pass --prefix to configure
17:00 ASau: I have noticed that it disappeared from plist.
17:00 mithos28: thats why I didn't have a problem, since I just use it out of the tree
17:00 ASau: Hence the question.
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17:02 scyrmion: can't you just cp/mv the file to where you want it?
17:03 ASau: I don't need it much, I'll hear if anyone sends PR.
17:04 ASau: [1]   Illegal instruction (core dumped) (cd collects/tests/racket && racket -f quiet.rktl)
17:04 ASau: Hm.
17:04 jonrafkind: 64-bit osx?
17:04 ASau: NetBSD 5.99.59 i386
17:05 jonrafkind: whoa crazy
17:06 ASau: #0  0xbb5a5d0a in ?? ()
17:06 ASau: #1  0xbb5a5d0f in ?? ()
17:06 ASau: #2  0xbb5a5d0f in ?? ()
17:06 ASau: ...
17:06 ASau: #6147 0xbb5a5d0f in ?? ()
17:06 ASau: #6148 0xbb5a5d0f in ?? ()
17:06 ASau: ...
17:06 ASau: That doesn't look nice.
17:06 jonrafkind: its likely some low level thing that matthew will fix once your message appears on the dev lit
17:06 jonrafkind: list
17:07 ASau: That's another message.
17:16 ASau: Alright, I've sent it too.
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17:32 ASau: Hm.
17:33 ASau: What is weird that git checkout as of four hours ago passes this test on 5.99.60.
17:33 ASau: Could it be that it is fixed already?
17:34 jonrafkind: maybe, what version of racket were you using before
17:36 ASau: The crash above is from 5.2.0.901
17:36 ASau: as in tarball.
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17:38 ASau: I noticed pre-release, hence the activity. :)
17:39 jonrafkind: it would be good to test racket on more systems for releases
17:39 ASau: Well...
17:39 ASau: That's rather involving.
17:40 jonrafkind: well if you set up a script it should be a one time cost
17:41 ASau: Racket pulls a whole lot of dependencies.
17:41 jonrafkind: even if you ignore the drawing libraries?
17:41 ASau: Hm. Why ignore them?
17:43 ASau: (...Not to mention that racket package is one of few cases out of 12000 that run out of process cpu time limit.)
17:44 jonrafkind: for testing basic racket stuff you dont need the drawing libraries
17:44 jonrafkind: whats the cpu time limit?
17:44 ASau: I don't remember half an hour or an hour.
17:45 jonrafkind: why is there a limit at all?
17:45 ASau: So that bulk build of packages finishes. :)
17:45 ASau: Racket is heavy package.
17:45 jonrafkind: you mean either it finishes or dies unfinished?
17:46 ASau: No, I mean that Racket is heavy package.
17:46 jonrafkind: I was just trying to understand the need for the cpu limit.. i dont get it
17:46 jonrafkind: it sounds like builds are only given 30 minutes to complete, and if they dont complete in that time they are killed
17:47 ASau: Yes.
17:47 jaimef: heavy?
17:47 ASau: Some processes run away.
17:47 jaimef: yeah it does take a while to build
17:47 ASau: jaimef: if you run amd64, I can give you package. :)
17:47 jonrafkind: i dunno.. up the limit :p
17:48 ASau: Though, wait a bit.
17:51 jaimef: I have latest 5.2 built
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18:02 jamessan: jonrafkind: well, the debian builds test it on a lot of systems, but that happens after a release
18:02 jamessan: I guess bremner or I could upload pre-releases to experimental, if that'd be helpful
18:03 jonrafkind: can you test on netbsd?
18:03 jonrafkind: we have some coverage for debian/ubuntu
18:04 jamessan: ah, no.  I was thinking architectures instead of OSes
18:07 ASau: I think that I'll test on 5.1/amd64 and ask some others.
18:15 jaimef: wow two netbsd developers in here :P
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18:34 eliasnaseef: i have a problem installing racket on windows 7
18:35 jonrafkind: what is it
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18:36 eliasnaseef: the installer racket-5.2-bin-i386-win32 does not work
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18:37 jonrafkind: you mean you cannot run it?
18:38 eliasnaseef: i mean when i double click it, nothing happens
18:38 jonrafkind: win64?
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18:39 jonrafkind: can you try the pre-release? http://pre.racket-lang.org/installers/
18:39 eliasnaseef: no, my windows is 32-bit
18:39 jonrafkind: maybe the download got corrupted?
18:41 eliasnaseef: this is the only file available for windows x86, and it worked perfectly on a windows xp machine
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18:43 jonrafkind: can you try that pre-release version
18:45 eliasnaseef: what pre-release version?
18:45 ASau: jonrafkind: are failing tests of any interest?
18:45 ASau: jonrafkind: or should I postpone them?
18:45 jonrafkind: eliasnaseef, I posted a link
18:45 jonrafkind: <jonrafkind> can you try the pre-release? http://pre.racket-lang.org/installers/
18:46 jonrafkind: ASau, yea failing tests are always interesting
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18:49 eliasnaseef: i'm downloading it right now. i,ll try it and see what happens. thanks a lot.
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18:57 ASau: jaimef: we _assimilate_ :)
19:07 jaimef: heh
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19:15 jaimef: so there is a nice intro demo to racket/continue but are there any more complete packages based on it?
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21:14 dyoo: good evening!
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21:15 kvda: hi dyoo
21:23 dyoo: silly question: I'm looking at the docs for the profiler, and one of its options, threads?, is #f by default.  Is there a good reason why it's not #t by default?
21:25 offby1 grumbles about it not working anyway
21:26 dyoo: really?  Drats.
21:28 offby1: http://bugs.racket-lang.org/query/?debug=&database=default&cmd=view+audit-trail&cmd=view&pr=12389
21:28 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/7yqvgel
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22:18 veer: samth: thanks for  papers you mentioned ,they were really helpful in creating a toy implementation of generics , here https://github.com/veer-public/Predicate-Dispatch
22:18 veer: later on I'll try to use types there when I understand more
22:20 veer: racket is cool
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