00:00 ozzloy: but i am a human and i not only expected it to work the way it did, i also can't figure out what other behavior a human might expect
00:01 mithos28: ozzloy: that (apply string (map char-upcase (string->list a-string))) == (string-upcase a-string)
00:04 ozzloy: rudybot, (equal? (apply string (map char-downcase (string->list "Σ"))) (string-downcase "Σ"))
00:04 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: #t
00:04 ozzloy: mithos28, i assume you meant downcasing Σ, not upcasing, since that's the example given
00:05 mithos28: yes
00:05 ozzloy: i'm talking specifically about the text of the guide near the bottom of this page http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/characters.html
00:06 mithos28: I think that is final sigma vs non-final sigma
00:06 mithos28: rudybot (string-downcase "Σ")
00:07 ozzloy: i did that already up above
00:07 ozzloy: oh you parted and joined since i did
00:07 ozzloy: rudybot, (string-downcase "Σ") ; "σ"
00:07 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: "σ"
00:07 ozzloy: rudybot, (char-downcase #\Σ) ; #\σ
00:07 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: #\σ
00:07 mithos28: rudybot, (string-downcase "aΣ")
00:07 rudybot: mithos28: your sandbox is ready
00:07 rudybot: mithos28: ; Value: "aς"
00:08 mithos28: there you go
00:08 ozzloy: oh, neat
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00:08 mithos28: rudybot, (string-downcase "ΣΣ")
00:08 rudybot: mithos28: ; Value: "σς"
00:08 ozzloy: what's going on there?
00:08 ozzloy: that is definitely not what i'd expect
00:08 mithos28: I'm not sure why a single sigma is not converted to a final sigma
00:08 mithos28: why not
00:09 mithos28: sigma has a different form at the end of a word
00:09 ozzloy: because i don't know about that
00:09 ozzloy: well, i didn't
00:09 mithos28: That is why you don't use char-downcase, because noone understands all of unicode
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00:10 ozzloy: cool cool
00:10 mithos28: Strings are probably convoluted data structure in common use
00:11 ozzloy: s/probably/probably the most/ ?
00:11 mithos28: yes, it is late and I should go to bed
00:12 ozzloy: thanks!
00:12 ozzloy: thanks for clarifying that for me.  much obliged.  sleep well
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00:14 ozzloy: rudybot, (equal? (apply string (map char-downcase (string->list "sigma: Σ"))) (string-downcase "sigma: Σ"))
00:14 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: #t
00:14 ozzloy: rudybot, (equal? (apply string (map char-downcase (string->list "sigmasigma: ΣΣ"))) (string-downcase "sigmasigma: ΣΣ"))
00:14 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: #f
00:19 ozzloy: rudybot, (equal? (apply string (map char-downcase (string->list "aΣ"))) (string-downcase "aΣ"))
00:19 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: #f
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11:01 Wuf: Hi, I'm trying to find a better way to write this:
11:01 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/YfyoqA
11:01 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix missing initialization - Matthew Flatt
11:01 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix typo - Matthew Flatt
11:01 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix typo - Matthew Flatt
11:01 Wuf: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YaJdK6AS
11:01 Wuf: I feel like I'm using Racket just like C or any other procedural language in that part.
11:01 Wuf: But I can't think of a more functional way to do the same.
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11:16 yoklov: hahah, someone was having trouble with ending sigmas? the problem with strings is that they're based on technology that is several thousand years old :p
11:19 yoklov: Wuf: so what you don't like is the let/ec and the setting?
11:20 Wuf: yoklov, yes, exactly.
11:20 yoklov: well the let/ec can be ditched if you use a for/or i think
11:21 yoklov: as well as the setting of representable
11:21 yoklov: i do not really see what this program does, to be honest
11:21 Wuf: I was thinking of for/fold to accumulate the result, if only for had a :#unless clause...
11:21 Wuf: well, :#until, clause.
11:21 yoklov: oh, hm.
11:22 yoklov: so for the 2nd setting
11:22 yoklov: of result
11:22 yoklov: what... are you doing there?
11:24 Wuf: Inside the inner loop I search for two numbers that when added, give 'i' as a result.
11:25 Wuf: After the loop, if they weren't found, I add 'i' to 'result'.
11:25 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 5 new commits to master: http://git.io/SdOW8Q
11:25 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] scheme/racket cleanup - Matthias Felleisen
11:25 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] initial stage of game pad, need to turn play file into test - Matthias Felleisen
11:25 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] an interactive test for various game pad configs - Matthias Felleisen
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11:27 Wuf: yoklov: this one is more verbose, but includes the puzzle question at the top so it's easier to understand.
11:27 Wuf: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jqMKc67Y
11:29 (nick) chaozzbubi -> ChaozZBubi
11:29 yoklov: okay, haha, i've done that one before. project euler?
11:29 yoklov: now, to figure out why for/or isn't working here :/
11:31 yoklov: oh
11:31 yoklov: ()+ result i)
11:31 yoklov: err
11:34 yoklov: http://pastebin.com/ZDPWHEQp
11:34 yoklov: for/or shortcircuits, so it removes the need for the let/ec
11:34 yoklov: and the unless
11:35 yoklov: err #:unless removes the need for the setting
11:35 yoklov: though you could also do (if (for/or...) r (+ r i))
11:35 yoklov: or whatever
11:36 Wuf: There must be some different semantic meaning in that #:unless(for/or from what I wanted to write.
11:37 yoklov: oh?
11:37 yoklov: how so?
11:38 yoklov: it gave the same answer for me for *limit* 100
11:39 yoklov: there is no (until) loop, if thats what you're talking about
11:40 yoklov: (you could write one yourself quite easily though)
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14:25 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] `lambda' -> `λ' - Eli Barzilay
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15:17 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] 2011 -> 2012 - Eli Barzilay
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18:32 ozzloy: haha, i tried to submit a bug report via drracket's submitter and i get "Forbidden You don't have permission ..."
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18:36 ozzloy: ok, i tried bugs.racket-lang.org and i get the same
18:37 ozzloy: jonrafkind, hey, drracket's bug submit and bugs.racket-lang.org aren't accepting bugs from me
18:37 ozzloy: well, one bug
18:37 ozzloy: report
18:37 jonrafkind: I am a robot
18:37 jonrafkind: Please input candy
18:37 ozzloy: um...
18:38 ozzloy hands jonrafkind some gum
18:38 ozzloy: but... i'm pretty sure that's bad for robots
18:38 jonrafkind: anyway eli is the master of that bug stuff
18:38 ozzloy: kk
18:38 jonrafkind: he did some web commits today.. maybe its related
18:39 ozzloy: i doubt it
18:39 ozzloy: he just changed lambda to the lambda char and 2011 to 2012
18:39 jonrafkind: yea
18:39 jonrafkind: hm
18:40 ozzloy: anyways, src/README says use users@racket-lang.org as last resort
18:40 jonrafkind: yea, thats fine
18:43 ozzloy: omg, sent!
18:43 ozzloy: i was hoping to figure out wtf, but idk scribble so bbq tla
18:44 ozzloy: oh balls, i forgot to look through existing bugs
18:44 jonrafkind: hells bells!
18:45 ozzloy: society is crumbling
18:46 jonrafkind: thats my hope
18:46 ozzloy: are you the joker?
18:46 jonrafkind: 3rd cousin
18:49 ozzloy: well no bugs match anyways
18:49 ozzloy: plus it's a silly bug, i bet if it was submitted already it would have been fixed
19:04 ozzloy: rudybot, '\\
19:04 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: |\|
19:04 ozzloy: rudybot, '\asdf\
19:04 rudybot: ozzloy: asdf is common lisp stuff..
19:04 ozzloy: rudybot, '\aaaa\
19:04 rudybot: ozzloy: AAAA
19:05 ozzloy: rudybot, '\aa\\
19:05 rudybot: ozzloy: ; Value: |aa\|
19:06 ozzloy: rudybot, '\ # \
19:06 rudybot: ozzloy: eh?  Try "rudybot: help".
19:07 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/SrO9kA
19:07 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix typo - Matthew Flatt
19:08 ozzloy: yay!
19:08 ozzloy: that was fast
19:08 jonrafkind: ooh what service
19:08 jonrafkind: on a holiday
19:08 ozzloy: indeed
19:09 ozzloy: thanks matt (is matthew in here?)
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19:09 jonrafkind: nah matthew doesn't use irc
19:10 jonrafkind: he was here like once, last year
19:10 ozzloy: does he speak chinese?
19:11 jonrafkind: hm good question
19:11 jonrafkind: maybe a little
19:11 jonrafkind: ive never heard him say anything in chinese though
19:11 ozzloy: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~mflatt/ he's got some under his name
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21:54 eli: ozzloy: Yes, it's my fault.
21:54 eli: I've revised the apache configuration today.
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23:45 eli: ozzloy: (for when you get sober...) -- it was roughly the same speed it took me to break it...