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05:29 Shviller: Hello everyone. How do I increase/remove the memory limit? I'm getting the "Racket virtual machine has run out of memory" error.
05:29 noelw: In DrRacket?
05:29 noelw: I don't use DrRacket much, but IIRC you can click on the memory limit to increase it
05:29 Shviller: Nope, racket.exe
05:29 Shviller: Yeah, I know where it is in DrRacket.
05:29 noelw: Oh. Get more RAM then :)
05:29 Shviller: 2Gb.
05:30 Shviller: Should be enough to load a 100Mb CSV.
05:30 Shviller: Oh wait, 3Gb.
05:30 noelw: Depends how you represent the CSV.
05:30 noelw: You could easily have a 20x overhead
05:30 Shviller: (require (planet neil/csv))
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05:31 noelw: If you monitor Racket from the Windows process overview thing you'll see if using a lot of memory I expect
05:31 noelw: It can't use all your memory as it needs some for the GC (a copying collector)
05:32 noelw: You probably need to rewrite your code to not keep the entire file in memory.
05:32 noelw: Use a streaming paradigm
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05:37 Shviller: Isn't that a bit much for a 100Mb file on a 3Gb RAM machine? I'd rather rewrite the library to reduce the overhead, if possible.
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08:56 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] win32: avoid line-wrap in `meesage%' display - Matthew Flatt
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10:17 Rye_: Hello, anyone there?
10:18 tcleval__: hi, I was wondering if it is possible to code android and iphone applications using Racket,  can you guys point me any links?
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10:29 noelw: Can't do Android apps in Racket, as Android is basically a JVM / Java platform
10:32 samth: noelw, i think there are native apps for android
10:32 samth: where native = c
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10:32 noelw: Oh, right.
10:33 ernestas: tcleval__: with clojure
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12:25 tcleval__: I had to logout, so I am going to ask again. Is there any library/package for racket android and iphone development?
12:26 mithos28: tcleval__: There is whale song which compiles to racket to javascript which then runs on the phone's browser
12:26 mithos28: I think there is some support for phone gap, to get the features of the phone
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12:28 shadgregory: didn't dyoo write something for android?
12:28 mithos28: whale song is his
12:29 mithos28: This is an assigment for a course at brown that uses racket on cell phones, http://cs.brown.edu/courses/cs019/2010/assignments/tour_guide
12:29 mithos28: it is a year old so will be out of date, but the version from this year comes out on friday
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12:45 tcleval__: thx mithos28
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15:12 tonyg: If I'm seeing the following, how should I attack the problem?
15:12 tonyg: Error [LOOP] 915 in ../../../racket/gc2/../src/port.c: while/do/for with body not in braces.
15:12 tonyg: Error [ARITH] 5570 in ../../../racket/gc2/../src/port.c: suspicious arithmetic, LHS ends __tmp.
15:12 tonyg: Error [LOOP] 5570 in ../../../racket/gc2/../src/port.c: while/do/for with body not in braces.
15:12 tonyg: Error [ARITH] 5569 in ../../../racket/gc2/../src/port.c: suspicious arithmetic, LHS ends __tmp.
15:12 tonyg: (etc.)
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15:18 samth: tonyg, is that a dynamic error?
15:18 samth: or is that a compile time error in the c compiler?
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15:20 tonyg: samth: compile-time, during xform processing
15:20 tonyg: "xform: Errors converting"
15:20 samth: did you change anything?
15:21 samth: in the C code?
15:21 tonyg: ... not yet
15:21 samth: and what C compiler are you using?
15:21 tonyg: though, erm, i'm not building it in a very traditional way
15:21 tonyg: emscripten
15:21 samth: ah
15:22 samth: i'm suspicious that it won't work
15:22 tonyg: yep!
15:22 tonyg: nothing a bit of brutal hackery can't fix, i'm sure
15:22 samth: the emscripten web page says it can't do setjmp
15:22 tonyg: oh
15:22 tonyg: balls.
15:23 samth: but i recommend seeing if you can build with clang first
15:23 samth: since that's a little less alpha as an llvm tool
15:23 tonyg: well the build is i guess half-way through given that it has gotten through to the xform stage
15:23 samth: and people have done that with racket
15:23 tonyg: it's using clang under the covers
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15:23 tonyg: the difference is no doubt in the emscripten header files
15:24 samth: ah, maybe
15:24 tonyg: (no setjmp? what kind of a toy, etc.)
15:24 tonyg: (when does JS get tail calls Sam)
15:24 samth: Real Soon Now
15:25 mithos28_: samth: really?
15:25 samth: mithos28_, yup
15:25 samth: http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:proper_tail_calls
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15:27 avarus: hi
15:27 tonyg: and then the Slightly Less Soon Now of getting it implemented in stock VMs
15:27 tonyg: and the Even Less Soon Now of getting it implemented *well*
15:30 avarus: when I do "raco exe foo.rkt" I get a 3.6M big binary and when I want to execute it on a different machine it still wants the racket binary, what's my fault?
15:30 avarus: same with raco distribute
15:33 samth: avarus, the former is expected, but not the latter
15:40 avarus: right, I forget to delete the old binary :P
15:40 avarus: forgot
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15:40 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to release: http://git.io/kaTJHg
15:40 RacketCommitBot: [racket/release] Revert "Fixed version of b9bd1db5." - Ryan Culpepper
15:40 avarus: thanks samth
15:57 Shvillr: Hello, guys. Is there a reasonably easy way to have something that works as a dynamic/reopenable class? I mostly mean adding/removing/changing methods at runtime.
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16:01 stamourv: Shvillr: Racket has first-class classes, so you can probably do that.
16:01 Shvillr: But would the changes affect the existing instances?
16:02 stamourv: Probably not.
16:02 Shvillr: :(
16:06 Shvillr: Maybe surrogates can help me achieve that?
16:07 asumu: Surrogates let you change who you delegate to, but I don't think they'll let you add additional methods.
16:08 Shvillr: Wouldn't replacing a surrogate with one of a different class have that effect?
16:08 asumu: That still wouldn't change instances you already have.
16:08 asumu: Well, sorry, that's not entirely true.
16:09 asumu: It won't let you add additional methods though because the delegated methods are statically determined.
16:09 Shvillr: Ah.
16:09 asumu: Racket unfortunately doesn't have an object system like Self or JS in this regard.
16:10 Shvillr: Do you think searching for library that implements something kinda-class-like can yield anything relevant?
16:11 asumu: Not sure what you mean. You mean an alternative object system for Racket? I think there are several on PLaneT, but some of them are bitrotten.
16:11 stamourv: Shvillr: You may be able to hack something up with structs with struct-properties on mutable fields.
16:13 Shvillr: Yeah, I'm hoping somebody hacked up a similar system already. Okay, lets see what I can find on PLaneT...
16:25 asumu: There is prometheus.plt (Self-like objects) and protobj.plt
16:25 asumu: I haven't tried running either.
16:26 Shvillr: Ah, I missed protobj somehow. Thanks!
16:27 asumu: Whoops, prometheus.plt was from before pairs were made immutable.
16:27 asumu: So it chokes on set-cdr!
16:27 jonrafkind: i have a feeling that planet should integrate with github somehow
16:27 asumu: That would be nice. I'd like to submit pull requests to a few things.
16:29 Shvillr: Some kind of tag system would be nice too, although they are only as easy to use as they are hard to maintain.
16:29 jonrafkind: theres a fairly minimal tag system
16:29 jonrafkind: 5 or 6 categories
16:30 asumu: You can't navigate with them though, as there isn't a tag index.
16:31 jonrafkind: yea, i tried writing a gui that let you do so but I gave up.. sorry :/
16:31 jonrafkind: its the failed planet-manager thing on planet
16:32 asumu: That would be neat. Kind of like a DrRacket app store.
16:34 jonrafkind: I wish racket had a java style gui system, I don't like what we curerntly have
16:34 Shvillr: Oh? Why?
16:35 asumu: Java-style? Having worked on Eclipse plugins I want to be as far away as possible from doing Java GUIs.
16:38 jonrafkind: java gui's expect mutation. racket forbids it
16:38 jonrafkind: i dont know how to put together a gui without mutation
16:43 samth: jonrafkind, racket's gui is heavily mutation-oriented
16:44 jonrafkind: last I checked you had to create components all at once
16:44 samth: what kind of components?
16:45 asumu: I dont't think that's true. e.g. you can make a frame%, call show on it, then add a child widget to it.
16:46 asumu: Unless I misunderstand what you mean.
16:47 jonrafkind: http://docs.racket-lang.org/gui/button_.html, almost every component wants a parent parameter which is annoying
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16:53 jonrafkind: also tehres no way to set the callback, afaik
16:54 Shvillr: Oh yeah, at least for the slider%.
16:54 jonrafkind: i think that was the largest pain for me
16:55 Shvillr: Yeah, I had to pepper the code with defines even for a very simple UI.
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16:58 asumu: Doing GUIs declaratively is probably still a research problem though.
16:58 jonrafkind: yea.. great
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17:03 Shvillr: I almost had a decent GUI system with XUL. Yeah, almost. If not for a teensy problem of Gecko's XSLT engine not being dynamic. A minor setback, innit?
17:05 Shvillr: Having to not only push model changes on the view manually, but also fully recalculating the view killed the whole idea. That's what you get for not doing your homework, boys and girls. :(
17:14 stamourv: jonrafkind: Re Racket/Github integration, samth has something (raco git?) on Github that makes it possible to add collects from git repositories, using raco link.
17:14 samth: jonrafkind, stamourv: yup
17:14 samth: https://github.com/samth/raco-git/
17:15 jonrafkind: oh thats pretty cool
17:15 jonrafkind: maybe ill start using that
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17:54 jonrafkind: anyone know why the macro stepper won't work when a macro has an error?
17:55 neilv: doesn't it work up to the step that has the error?
17:56 neilv: i guess it depends on the kind of error
17:56 jonrafkind: it used to.. now it doesn't show the window at all
17:56 jonrafkind: I shouldn't have updated my git repo :(
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17:57 neilv: use a nightly build, and press on the bug report?
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19:07 Shvillr: (define a (%))
19:07 Shvillr: (object? a) ==> #t
19:07 Shvillr: (eq? (^ a) (current-root-object)) ==> #t
19:07 Shvillr: Apologies, that was accidental
19:09 Shvillr: Then again, I might as well ask. I'm trying out neil/protobj, and contrary to what the docs say, (object? a) returns #f. Why is that?
19:09 Shvillr: Bit rot?
19:09 neilv: hold on
19:12 neilv: this documentation build when first installing a planet package into a new version... is painful
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19:13 Shvillr swears by rubygems' --no-rdoc --no-ri, but doesn't know the planet equivalent yet, if any.
19:13 neilv: Shviller: i will upload a new version to planet momentarily
19:13 Shvillr: Awesome!
19:15 neilv: how do you want to be credited in the changelog?
19:15 Shvillr: Er, is it really worth mentioning? Well, I go by Shviller just about everywhere.
19:15 neilv: ok
19:15 Shvillr slaps forehead
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19:15 Shviller slaps forehead
19:21 neilv: Shviller: will be a minute. this still uses my old documentation system, which apparently broke during the move to the new one
19:22 Shviller: Man, thank you so much!
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19:31 neilv: Shviller: (require (planet neil/protobj:1:2))
19:31 neilv: Shviller: also, you will want to use #lang racket/base rather than #lang racket
19:31 Shviller: Oh? Why?
19:32 neilv: #lang racket defines its own "object?" now, apparently
19:32 danking: hmm. You can't do (except-in ...) on #lang lines, right?
19:32 neilv: nobody uses protobj, as far as i know. once every year or two, someone tries it
19:33 neilv: danking: correct, afaik
19:33 Shviller: Well, I tried the same code with the new version and it worked, despite #lang racket
19:35 Shviller: So yeah. 4:30 AM here. Gotta get some sleep, or else. Thanks a ton, neilv! Bye, all.
19:36 neilv: later
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19:49 neilv writes the irc section of racket book
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19:51 failingcpsc: hello, i need some help, anyone there?
19:52 neilv: i'm partly here, fwiw
19:52 failingcpsc: cool, look, im having trouble designing a function
19:52 failingcpsc: it need to get a number
19:52 neilv: are you using the htdp textbook?
19:53 failingcpsc: yea
19:53 failingcpsc: anyway, gets a number, renders circles beside each other
19:53 failingcpsc: in decreasing radius
19:54 failingcpsc: so if you do: (functionname 3)
19:54 neilv: if nobody here answers quickly, you should ask on the "users" email list
19:54 failingcpsc: it renders 3 circles, radii 30, 20, 10 respectively
19:55 failingcpsc: ok, will do
19:55 neilv: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/
19:58 jonrafkind: so draw 3 circles and put them next to each other
20:00 failingcpsc: yea
20:00 jonrafkind: ok great
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21:31 neilv: on debian squeeze, looks like the normal texlive install doesn't contain stabular.sty, which scribble --pdf seems to want
21:31 neilv: it might be in texlive-latex-extra, which seems to pull in a boatload of stuff, including non-tex stuff
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21:49 neilv: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2010-April/039235.html
21:49 neilv: http://www.tug.org/texlive/Contents/live/texmf-dist/tex/latex/skull/skull.sty
21:49 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/cumf5jp
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23:02 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/FQgMQA
23:02 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix begin-for-syntax test - Robby Findler
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23:46 rudybot: *offby1: I'd like to see swig's PLT support updated to embrace the modern PLT FFI.  Not that I'm volunteering.