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04:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Removed the `plot' collection, in preparation for adding the new one instead. - Eli Barzilay
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04:21 Blkt: good morning everyone
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04:24 noelw: Hi
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04:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fixed "src/configure". - Eli Barzilay
04:58 eli curses chinese nuts.
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05:19 noelw: a pox upon your chinese nuts!
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05:22 eli: noelw: "Pine mouth" is the googlable term
05:41 eli: noelw: ping
06:04 noelw: eli: pong
06:04 noelw: I've heard of pine mouth
06:04 noelw: Never experienced it
06:10 eli: noelw: Basically the email I sent, so you're fine.
06:10 noelw: ok.
06:10 eli: And the pine mouth is something I didn't know about before too, until all food started tasting like shit.
06:11 noelw: Ugh. Sounds awful.
06:12 eli: Hopefully it's only for a few days.
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07:14 tim-brown: lo all
07:15 tim-brown: eli: good luck with the pine mouth
07:16 tim-brown: i've just submitted a patch for vim to allow :mzscheme to be used in autocmds, and on the command line (i.e. much earlier than previously possible)
07:16 tim-brown: it's on the vim-dev mailing list, if you're interested
07:17 tim-brown: (or it will be once the mailing list software propagates it)
07:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EkheSA
07:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix for `make-module-evaluator' with a file. - Eli Barzilay
07:22 tim-brown: is there a (TCP) read-with-timeout function in racket?
07:22 tim-brown: or do i need to put an "alarm timer" around my read
07:22 noelw: Look at sync
07:23 tim-brown: thx
07:24 tim-brown: sorry, my 'C' brain wants to over-complicate :-)
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08:32 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] windows: assume 1MB stack, but try to read actual from executable - Matthew Flatt
08:32 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] add #:get-lib-dirs and #:fail args to `ffi-lib' - Matthew Flatt
08:32 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] win64: avoid msvcr90.dll - Matthew Flatt
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08:59 eli: tim-brown: Maybe also switch it up to racket?
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09:11 tim-brown: eli: that's a nice thought, but...
09:11 tim-brown: 1. vim refers to, mzscheme/racket/PLT code as MZSCH... throughout
09:12 tim-brown: 2. there seems to be a lot of backwards-compatibility cruft accumulating in vim
09:13 tim-brown: 3. so I'd expect there to be a fork/duplication in the code for MZSCH... and RACKET... symbols and options
09:13 tim-brown: it's building against racket-5.1.3/3m fine
09:13 tim-brown: it's just there's something of a historical name floating about
09:14 tim-brown: That said, I've not brought any of this up with Bram
09:16 tim-brown: but... I *have* just sent an email half suggesting that he splits his main.c:main() function in two for mzscheme (racket/whoever's) benefit
09:16 tim-brown: it's probably time to keep a low profile for a bit
09:17 tim-brown: I'm not even sure how many people racket with vim, TBH (I'm doing this all for myself, as it were)
09:20 tim-brown: eli: oh, sorry... were you talking about my brain?
09:24 eli: tim-brown: No, about vim...  You can tell him that the actual "mzscheme" executable is just a backward-compatible executable leftover, and that it is likely to disappear in the future.
09:28 tim-brown: that said... just looking at the filenames in my /usr/local/racket-5.1.3/include/racket/
09:29 tim-brown: there's more mention of mz, sch and scheme than of racket
09:30 tim-brown: but yes... vim relies on many "mz..." values, including mzc -- rather than raco ctool
09:31 tim-brown: speaking of which... I need to get some debug out of "raco setup" during scribblings ... is there I port I can print to?
09:32 tewk_: tim-brown: source file names and function names aren't going to change, but mzc and mzscheme executables will probably disappear in the future.
09:33 tewk_: tim-brown: stderr should work.
09:33 tim-brown: tewk_: i'm not sure that mzscheme is actually run with vim.... :mzscheme runs embedded racket commands
09:34 tim-brown: mzc *is* invoked
09:35 tim-brown: is "raco ctool" equivalent to "mzc"?
09:35 tewk_: raco make
09:37 tewk_: mzc did several different things, raco is the replacement for mzc
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09:43 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Allows selection of the various text objects inside DrRacket's display of - Robby Findler
09:48 tim-brown: i think vim needs --c-mods, --c-source from raco ctool to build the base collection... but i'm something of a noob compared to Sergey Khorev who seems to have done all the heavy lifting on the vim - mzscheme/racket interface
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09:51 tim-brown: I've (bytes-read) a byte string as generated by (list->bytes (list 65 112 112 108 101 0 0 0 0 .... 0))
09:52 tim-brown: what's the quickest way to get a value from this that (bytes=? #"Apple")
09:52 tim-brown: ?
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10:01 samth: tim-brown: `subbytes'
10:01 samth: and really, don't create any new things called "mzscheme"
10:10 tim-brown: i'm not! i'm trying to make sure that old things called mzscheme work with racket
10:12 tim-brown: samth: so I do need to know (or find) my first \0 byte, then
10:15 tim-brown: samth: eli suggested that I upped vim's references to mzshceme (and mzsch...) to "racket" ... it's the right thing to do ... it's just a lot of work for someone
10:15 samth: tim-brown: (for/first ([(b i) (in-indexed (in-bytes mybytes))] #:when (zero? b)) i)
10:15 samth: rudybot: (define mybytes (list->bytes (list 65 112 112 108 101 0 0 0 0))
10:15 rudybot: samth: tim-brown: (for/first ([(b i) (in-indexed (in-bytes mybytes))] #:when (zero? b)) i)
10:16 samth: rudybot: (for/first ([(b i) (in-indexed (in-bytes mybytes))] #:when (zero? b)) i)
10:16 rudybot: samth: your racket/init sandbox is ready
10:16 rudybot: samth: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: mybytes in module: 'program
10:16 samth: rudybot: eval (define mybytes (list->bytes (list 65 112 112 108 101 0 0 0 0))
10:16 rudybot: samth: error: eval:1:0: read: expected a `)' to close `('
10:16 samth: rudybot: eval (define mybytes (list->bytes (list 65 112 112 108 101 0 0 0 0)))
10:16 rudybot: samth: Done.
10:16 samth: rudybot: (for/first ([(b i) (in-indexed (in-bytes mybytes))] #:when (zero? b)) i)
10:16 rudybot: samth: ; Value: 5
10:16 samth: rudybot: (subbytes mybytes 5)
10:16 rudybot: samth: ; Value: #"\0\0\0\0"
10:16 samth: rudybot: (subbytes mybytes 0 5)
10:16 rudybot: samth: ; Value: #"Apple"
10:17 samth: tim-brown: there you go
10:18 tim-brown: samth: thanks... i have the length as the result of my read-bytes-avail!  -- but will look at the for/first code
10:20 tim-brown: samth: why did rudybot send me a message? was that simply the result of you sending me a form?
10:20 samth: i'm not sure why rudybot did that
10:22 tim-brown: cripes! more to discover... first for/first, now the rudybot source!
10:26 samth: rudybot: source
10:26 rudybot: samth: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git
10:26 samth: rudybot: url
10:26 rudybot: samth: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: url in module: 'program
10:35 offby1: samth: https://github.com/offby1/rudybot
10:36 samth: offby1: yes, i know how to go from the git url to an http one :)
10:36 offby1: just checkin' :)
10:39 samth: offby1: pull req sent :)
10:39 offby1: ooh ooh
10:40 samth: github makes that pretty easy
10:41 offby1: eli's "defverb" helps too
10:41 samth: yes
10:41 offby1: rudybot: url
10:41 rudybot: *offby1: url?
10:41 offby1: *sigh*
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10:42 offby1: hmm, the module didn't reload
10:45 samth: offby1: you should split it to have a separate place where everything happens, and kill-and-reload that place on demand
10:45 samth: you can communicate just with strings
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10:55 samth: rudybot: url
10:55 rudybot: samth: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: url in module: 'program
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11:35 offby1: samth: I wasn't able to reload the module that contains your fix; I don't know why.  Can't investigate now.
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11:53 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/6KwH6A
11:53 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] remove `raco exe' plot test - Matthew Flatt
11:53 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] remove built-in reader and printing support for Honu - Matthew Flatt
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12:00 roastbird: how do i use types in signatures?
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12:04 samth: roastbird: in unit signatures?
12:06 roastbird: yep
12:06 samth: roastbird: typed racket doesn't currently support the unit system at all
12:07 roastbird: o.o
12:07 roastbird: will they add it soon?
12:10 (part) tim-brown: "Leaving"
12:10 samth: roastbird: it's something we're working on for the future
12:12 roastbird: hrmmmm. alright. thanks for the info (:
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12:27 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/OL5zzQ
12:27 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Added new plot library and old libfit (which plot still depends on) - Neil Toronto
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13:29 roastbird: (response 200 #"OK" (current-seconds) TEXT/HTML-MIME-TYPE headers-no-cache    (λ (op) (write-bytes #"<html><body><div>Hello World!</div></body></html>" op)))
13:29 roastbird: you must be using xexpr->response
13:32 shofetim: ahh, thnks
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13:49 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix "configure" and "configure.ac" for libfit - Matthew Flatt
13:49 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] try to fix dist-specs for libfit - Matthew Flatt
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14:03 didi: I'm trying to install the last commit from the git repository but during `make install' I get: `/collects/setup/compiled/unixstyle-install_rkt.zo::0: read (compiled): code compiled for version 5.1.3.6, not 5.1.3.11' and then it errors.
14:03 didi: Does anyone know how to fix it?
14:04 stamourv: didi: You can try removing that `compiled' directory.
14:05 stamourv: and then running `make install' again.
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14:06 stamourv: Or, to get rid of any stale compiled directories, from the collects directory: find . -name compiled | xargs rm
14:06 didi: stamourv: Yay, go stamourv. Although it stopped at another `compiled' directory. I'm going to iterate over them all. Thank you.
14:06 didi: stamourv: Even better!
14:07 stamourv: I think `raco setup -c' does something like that too.
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14:11 didi: Now I just need to wait some hours. :) Great, I was really missing racket.
14:11 stamourv: Hours?
14:12 stamourv: Building Racket on my XO takes hours, but on any reasonable machine, it's ~20-30 minutes max.
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14:13 didi: stamourv: I'm exaggerating for the sake of comedy. I'm actually never timed it here, but it takes a while. And to be complete, I tried it once at an older machine and I killed the process after a couple of hours.
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14:18 mightyfoo: rudybot: are there any other irc bots like you, implemented in racket?
14:18 rudybot: mightyfoo: not sure; a few days ago there were a bunch of bots spamming lots of channels
14:20 stamourv: mightyfoo: There's gabot, written by eli.
14:21 stamourv: It advertises new PLaneT packages, and updates.
14:22 mightyfoo: i'll prolly not get a straight answer from rudybot.. but is there an irc library in planet
14:22 mightyfoo: i'm not so well connected to teh interwebs at the mo
14:23 mightyfoo: ooh does gabot handle the twitter, too?
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14:28 eli: offby1: Sam's just excited about his new hammer.
14:28 eli: (=> There's no need for places...)
14:29 stamourv: mightyfoo: We don't have an IRC library, but it would be great if someone could abstract one from rudybot/gabot.
14:29 stamourv: You should write one. :)
14:34 didi: stamourv: 24'. :)
14:36 stamourv: didi: Told ya :).
14:36 stamourv: didi: Did you pull before or after the new plot library was added?
14:37 didi: stamourv: I've just pulled. HEAD is 560d.
14:39 didi: stamourv: The newest commit that I see that mentions `plot' is e01e46.
14:39 stamourv: Oh, that's old stuff.
14:39 didi: Awww.
14:39 stamourv: :)
14:39 didi: :(
14:39 stamourv: The new plot library has been added since, and a lot of C code has been removed.
14:40 stamourv: We move fast ;).
14:40 didi: Yay, let's remove C.
14:40 didi: Indeed. Every pull gets a lot. Nice.
14:40 stamourv: Quoting Neil T's email:
14:40 stamourv: This change replaces about 20000 lines of C+support code with 7000 lines
14:40 stamourv: of Racket that does a lot more. Racket code for backward compatibility
14:40 stamourv: totals only 500 lines. The libfit library is about 500 lines of C+make code.
14:40 stamourv: 
14:41 didi: Nice! It reminds me of the GUI switch a while back.
14:41 stamourv: Yep, similar idea, but slightly smaller scale.
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14:51 jorrik: how can i make an irc bot in racket?
14:54 mario-goulart: jorrik: maybe you can take a look at https://github.com/offby1/rudybot
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15:13 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/430xGg
15:13 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Turned off deprecation warnings in compat-tests.rkt so DrDr won't complain about them - Neil Toronto
15:13 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Make most of 'plot' still function without libfit (all but 'fit') - Neil Toronto
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15:28 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/9xFWfg
15:28 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Keep DrDr from running (and timing out on) the slideshow-test.rkt - Neil Toronto
15:28 stamourv: mario-goulart++, rudybot is awesome.
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15:55 ntoronto: hello?
15:57 stamourv: Hello.
15:57 stamourv: Thanks for the new plot library!
15:58 stamourv: ntoronto: Re your bug closing question, just put "Closes PR XXXXX." in the commit message of the relevant commit.
15:59 ntoronto: ah, cool!
15:59 ntoronto: btw, hi Vincent :)
15:59 ntoronto: so it's something I had to have done when I committed it in the first place
16:00 stamourv: Right. But you can also close the bug manually.
16:00 ntoronto: gotcha - I'll do that soon, then
16:01 ntoronto: the dev chat room seemed a little empty - do people use it much?
16:01 stamourv: Not much anymore.
16:02 stamourv: It's mostly bot traffic these days.
16:02 stamourv: s/mostly/only/
16:02 stamourv: The channel used to be useful before we had #racket. It was a better place to discuss development than #scheme. But with #racket, since nothing we say is really secret, there's not much point anymore.
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16:07 ntoronto: cool, thanks
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16:14 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix documented contract to match actual function - Robby Findler
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16:37 ntoronto: so DrDr is pretty busy with my pushes - should I be pushing less often?
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16:41 joe____: howdy sexy men?
16:42 joe____: no sexy men da house?
16:43 stamourv: ntoronto: Nah, it will catch up eventually.
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16:43 joe____: i love racket?
16:44 joe____: you guys up for some racketing
16:44 DanBurton: WEWT :)
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16:45 joe____: can you see this?
16:45 huiucfv: yeah i can
16:45 joe____: i am da cookie monstar
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16:47 joe____: anyone up for some private racketing under my bed?
16:47 joe____: ?
16:47 DanBurton: Nope.
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16:54 zerokarmaleft: joe____: fyi, this is a channel for racket...the programming language
16:57 eli: ntoronto: ping
16:59 joe____: can someone tell me whah lambda is?
16:59 joe____: i have to use it but i dont know what it is :(
17:00 ohwow: joe____: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lambda_function
17:00 joe____: ty
17:00 ohwow: joe____: basically, it's a function without a name
17:00 joe____: oh
17:00 ohwow: also don't click that link
17:01 ohwow: sorry i pasted the wrong one
17:01 joe____: i havent yet
17:01 joe____: tanks i guess i got
17:03 eli: ntoronto: ping
17:03 DanBurton: wow that is a small article
17:05 joe____: dont you love to boogie?
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17:09 ntoronto: eli: png
17:10 ntoronto: er, eli: pong
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17:12 eli: ntoronto: I actually thought that fit was supposed to go away
17:12 ntoronto: oh
17:12 eli: and now that it is used only for the compatibility fit, is there any reason to keep it?
17:12 ntoronto: and I thought we'd talked about it
17:13 ntoronto: it's exported from both 'plot' and 'plot/compat'
17:13 eli: IIRC, in all those threads there was no peeps about people who use it.
17:13 eli: (Directly, not via plot, of course.)
17:13 ntoronto: well I haven't coded a replacement yet
17:14 eli: For fit?  The point is that it's not needed by itself...
17:15 ntoronto: so what happens to the plots that rely on it?
17:15 eli: So there are plots that rely on it?
17:15 ntoronto: no idea
17:16 eli: Backtrack for a second.
17:16 eli: In "Make most of 'plot' still function without libfit (all but 'fit')"
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17:16 eli: did you make it possible to use plot without fit by writing something that does the work instead?
17:16 ntoronto: nope
17:16 ntoronto: lazy-require
17:16 eli: Ah.
17:17 eli: Is it possible to immitate it somehow?
17:18 eli: Perhaps by ignoring whatever feature it is supposed to produce?
17:18 ntoronto: 1. it can be imitated, but it'll take a while, so I'll do it later
17:19 ntoronto: 2. nothing in 'plot' actually requires 'fit' to work
17:19 ntoronto: I have no idea where it came from or why it's in 'plot' in the first place
17:19 ntoronto: maybe the original authors just thought it was cool
17:19 eli 's getting confuseder and confuseder
17:20 ntoronto: lemme try again
17:20 ntoronto: nothing ELSE in 'plot' requires 'fit' to work
17:20 ntoronto: I think the original authors used it for a plot test case
17:21 ntoronto: there used to be a file in plot/demos that tested both fitting and plotting
17:21 eli: So why is it kept now?
17:21 ntoronto: in case someone uses it
17:21 ntoronto: I didn't want to rip out code without having a replacement for it
17:22 eli: OK, so we're back to what I understood earlier.
17:22 eli: The fit stuff is not used by random plots.
17:22 ntoronto: not by any plot functions themselves no, but possibly by *users* of plot
17:22 eli: It will never be used unless there's code that uses it directly.
17:22 ntoronto: right
17:22 eli: OK.
17:23 eli: As for these users, there was nobody that talked about it.
17:23 ntoronto: true
17:23 eli: And when I mentioned it a few times, the only reaction was from Doug,
17:23 eli: who happily reported that even that's too bogus and he has a bunch of fitting things that he implemented himself.
17:23 ntoronto: lol
17:24 ntoronto: look, I wouldn't be surprised if nobody uses it
17:24 eli: I read all of that as code that moans "kiiiiillll meeeeee".
17:24 ntoronto: Bayesian analysis would tell me the chances are low but positive
17:24 eli: Even Robby didn't object to removing it.
17:24 ntoronto: really?
17:25 eli: I'll ask him just in case.
17:25 eli: I'll mail you later.  Day care end time now.
17:25 ntoronto: sounds good
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18:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/4Zyh7g
18:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fixing slight error when a file fails to test properly - Jay McCarthy
18:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fixing racket/match by removing errorneous optimization with test that shows it is broken - Jay McCarthy
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18:54 amit: hi all
18:54 amit: just wondering if there's a code formatting option in DrRacket ?
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18:55 Guest62987: any help?
18:56 Guest62987: there's a reindent-all options but that does not help
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19:37 mithos28: Guest62987: What do you want to do that the reindent all doesn't do?
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20:05 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/-bLAtQ
20:05 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Added plot-pict and plot3d-pict for slideshow plots - Neil Toronto
20:05 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Merge branch 'master' of pltgit:plt - Neil Toronto
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20:40 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Comment out 'fit' tests that randomly fail - Neil Toronto
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20:57 ntoronto: anybody know why NickServ is bugging me for my password again?
21:00 mithos28: ntoronto: did your client change or something, I would assume you would regularly have to authenticate but the client does it in the background
21:02 ntoronto: huh
21:02 ntoronto: this is the first time I've used this client, actually
21:03 ntoronto: I probably just need to tell it my password
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21:04 mithos28: then that is probably it, on my new computer I needed to reauthorize and then it was quiet
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21:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/BoBRyw
21:26 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix compiler bug related to lifting and unbox flonums - Matthew Flatt
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22:00 asumu: ntoronto: in the plot docs, I noticed the main page has a typo "PLoT provides an flexible" should be "PLoT provides a flexible", I think.
22:00 asumu: BTW: thanks for the revamped library. I haven't had the chance to try it yet, but I will the next time I have to do plots for a paper (should be soon)
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22:16 ntoronto: asumu: I'll fix that (thanks), and you're welcome!
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23:00 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Changed 'points' contract on vecs to (listof (vector/c real? real?)) - Neil Toronto
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