00:03 MaXim_: damn
00:03 MaXim_: i made racket crash
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01:11 MaXim_: mm
01:11 MaXim_: i wonder how streams work
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01:39 offby1: they just trickle down
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01:52 jonrafkind: whats good for the economy is good for racket
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07:54 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Up timeout again. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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09:17 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Add links to tooltips, fix second y axis on zoom. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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11:16 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Resolve names in overlap in TR. Closes PR11392. - Eric Dobson
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11:16 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fixed subtyping for StructTop. Closes PR11099. - Eric Dobson
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13:26 jonrafkind: how come in drracket the interaction pane hangs after I type in an expression (in #lang honu)
13:26 jonrafkind: Language: honu; memory limit: 128 MB.
13:26 jonrafkind: > 1 + 1
13:26 jonrafkind: 2
13:26 jonrafkind: and then it doesnt print the prompt again
13:43 samth: probably something w/ your reader and/or printer
13:49 jonrafkind: right now I expect input to end with <eof>, do you think for the repl I should just end an expression with a newline?
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15:19 samth: jonrafkind: maybe
15:19 samth: or ;
15:19 samth: or something else as terminator
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16:09 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Switch to racket/base to fix bizarre bug. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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16:40 milos_345: I want to make executables. so I read about raco command. where do you employ it, in the command line or where?
16:46 milos_345: is this comlicated a bit, huh?
16:47 jonrafkind: raco exe foobar.rkt
16:47 jonrafkind: drrracket can make executables too
16:47 jonrafkind: in some menu, file -> make executable orsomething
16:47 milos_345: ah yes, i forgot about drracket
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17:12 blake_johnson: is there a reason run was changed from C-t to C-r?
17:12 blake_johnson: and how do I change it back if I wanted to?
17:21 jamessan: blake_johnson: see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.racket.devel/4063/focus=4145 and Robby's reply
17:26 blake_johnson: thanks, what about changing it back? I'm sure it's in the documentation somewhere, but I can't find it
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17:29 samth: blake_johnson: you need to create a new keybindings file, basically
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18:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] added a preference to restore the old run, new tab, and replace keybindings - Robby Findler
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18:36 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Enable turning timings on and off. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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19:43 Guest78911: hello
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19:50 Guest91106: anyone here?
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19:51 phao: hey
19:51 phao: is there anyway to get racket's doc to read offline?
19:51 jonrafkind: you can download a pdf iirc
19:51 phao: th
19:52 phao: thx**
19:52 Guest91106: hello, I have a few questions
19:52 jonrafkind: http://racket-lang.org/learning.html
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19:52 jonrafkind: or you can always build the docs locally
19:52 phao: build docs locally?
19:53 jonrafkind: its definately in git, although i dont remember if its in the archive
19:56 Guest91106: I would like to know how racket works with stuff written in c/c++ ?
19:56 Guest91106: libraries (DLLs)
19:56 jonrafkind: you can load those libraries through the FFI (foreign function interface)
19:56 jonrafkind: http://docs.racket-lang.org/foreign/Loading_Foreign_Libraries.html?q=foreign
19:56 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/3mchuz5
19:57 jonrafkind: then you bind a function from racket to C and you can call it from racket
19:57 Guest91106: thank you
19:58 Guest91106: anyway, I am looking for language I can use for some hobby game development. I have tried pygame, but it is too slow. Java is too bloated. I like lisp as an idea, but most implementations seem to suck.
19:59 Guest91106: this one seems decent
20:01 jonrafkind: i started binding racket to a cross platform graphics library called allegro5 but haven't finished it
20:01 jonrafkind: if you want to write a "real" game your choices are basically to use the opengl stuff that racket provides or bind to some other library (like allegro5 or sdl)
20:02 Guest91106: I was thinking of maybe using irrlicht free 3d engine that is open source and written in C++
20:02 Guest91106: it is rather simple to use (for a 3d engine)
20:02 jonrafkind: i haven't figured out how to bind to c++ libraries from racket, although it should be possible
20:03 jonrafkind: the symbol names are all mangled
20:03 jonrafkind: if you figure it out I would be interested to see how you did it
20:03 Guest91106: I see
20:04 Guest91106: any instructions on how to bind it to C++
20:04 jonrafkind: you should learn to use the ffi to bind to C first and then work on C++
20:05 Guest91106: yeah, you are right
20:05 jonrafkind: if you have the racket distribution look at collects/ffi/examples
20:05 Guest91106: okay
20:06 Guest91106: basically I am looking for some alternative for Java/C++ in hobby game development
20:06 Guest91106: Python is too slow
20:07 Guest91106: rachet seems to have decent speed
20:07 jonrafkind: do you have proof that python is too slow? you tried to write a game with it and failed?
20:08 Guest91106: well, not myself (I wrote simple 2d real time strategy in actionscript 3), but I ran some games that other people wrote
20:08 Guest91106: and benchmarks for python look bad
20:08 jonrafkind: ok do what you will, but benchmarks can tell highly biased stories
20:09 Guest91106: you think rachet is slow?
20:09 jonrafkind: anyway if you have trouble binding to c++ you can use a C library like sdl or allegro4/5
20:09 jonrafkind: i was under the impression that racket and python were in the same ballpark - 2x-3x slower than C or something
20:09 jonrafkind: but i havent timed anything recently
20:10 Guest91106: oh I would say python is more like 25x slower than C
20:10 jonrafkind: hehe ok
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20:10 Guest91106: I did some stuff in C so I kind of have idea
20:10 jonrafkind: id say give racket a shot, see how it does performantly
20:10 jonrafkind: people will be interested to know if its too slow for you, they will speed it up
20:11 Guest91106: also are there any plans for 64bit windows version?
20:11 Guest91106: just asking
20:11 jonrafkind: such a thing exists
20:11 jonrafkind: its fairly recent, i dont know if it came out yet
20:11 Guest91106: okay
20:11 jonrafkind: mm i thought it was in 5.1.2
20:11 Guest91106: thank you
20:13 Guest91106: who develops this thing anway? I like lisp generally and I didn't know this exists
20:13 Guest91106: it is fairly complete implementation
20:13 jonrafkind: a group of professors split between universities and their students, basically
20:14 jonrafkind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racket_(programming_language)#History
20:14 Guest91106: well you should know that it looks pretty awesome right now (you site has somewhat crappy design, thought)
20:15 jonrafkind: i dont disagree with you there :p
20:15 Guest91106: basically can't wait to dip my claws into it further
20:16 jonrafkind: if you want an easy way to learn the syntax and whatnot you can start with http://htdp.org, its beginner oriented but you can just stroll through it
20:17 Guest91106: it asks for password
20:17 jonrafkind: click 'the book'
20:18 Guest91106: yeah I see, only solutions have password
20:18 Guest91106: cool
20:19 Guest91106: what kind of programing paradigm is rachet anyway
20:19 jonrafkind: its racket :p
20:19 Guest91106: functional, procedural?
20:19 jonrafkind: it offers numerous paradigms -- purely functional, oo, procedural
20:19 Guest91106: does it have immutable data tupes?
20:19 Guest91106: like clojure>
20:19 Guest91106: ?
20:20 jonrafkind: yea
20:20 Guest91106: but it also have mutable ones?
20:20 jonrafkind: yea
20:20 Guest91106: badass
20:21 Guest91106: okay thank you for your time
20:21 Guest91106: I'll work on this thing now
20:24 Guest91106: see ya later :p
20:24 Guest91106: sorry one more thing
20:25 Guest91106: how about the licence on this thing?
20:25 Guest91106: if I develop aplication, can I seel it?
20:25 jonrafkind: yea
20:25 jonrafkind: racket is LGPL
20:26 Guest91106: meaning that I only have to publish source for changes in racket itself, not to my aplication, right?
20:26 jonrafkind: yea (I think)
20:27 Guest91106: not that I plan to develop something commercial right now, but it is good to know
20:28 Guest91106: okay see ya
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21:08 sudoninja: hello?
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21:10 SudoNinja_: hello, I am having some issues with the .sh install with ubuntu natty narwhale.
21:11 SudoNinja_: anyone willing to give me a hand?
21:13 sudoninja: \who
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21:14 phao: lol
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23:00 francisl: I'm trying to build a little proxy for web image, is there a web client library for racket?
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23:17 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] let the planet resolver bestow on itself more powerful filesystem inspection capabilities - Robby Findler
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23:31 mithos28: francisl: There is a well used web server library for racket, and some minor functionality for the client side
23:32 mithos28: look at net/url for how to make requests
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