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00:11 eli: SinDoc: If you *really* want to do this, you can use `namespace-attach-module' to share the gui instance, but at least with how that example looks like, you don't need to use `eval'.
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00:22 SinDoc: The bitmap% objects are instantiated in a struct that I want serialized. That's why I decided to store the code as data, otherwise, I would get an error during serialization.
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00:27 SinDoc: eli: Thanks a lot. It worked perfectly.
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00:34 eli: SinDoc: I still don't see why you'd need it -- you can serialize just the file name, and create the object when you read it.
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00:42 dwaynecrooks: hello world in #lang planet dwaynecrooks/whitespace... https://github.com/dwayne/whitespace/blob/master/examples/hworld.rkt
00:57 SinDoc: eli: Excellent suggestion! I will do just that. Thanks again, Eli.
01:01 eli: dwaynecrooks: Cute, but it looks like you're interpreting it, no?
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01:14 dwaynecrooks: eli: yes its being interpreted
01:14 dwaynecrooks: eli: i'm new to all this so i just needed to see something working
01:15 dwaynecrooks: eli: all suggestions for improvement welcomed though
01:16 eli: dwaynecrooks: Not much time, but here's roughly how it'd work:
01:16 eli: (This is all based on my very shallow reading of the language.)
01:17 eli: You'd first implement it as a plain language -- using macros or even just functions,
01:17 eli: then you write a #lang parser that reads the input file and produces syntax objects (with the correct source information) that are identifiers from this implementation.
01:18 eli: So overall, it would probably look pretty close (IOW, you probably have >80% of the code already), except that instead of interpreting code at runtime, you read the syntax as Racket code at compile time.
01:19 eli: And that can result in some cases in significant speedups -- though this language sounds like a simple stack machine.
01:19 dwaynecrooks: yes it is stack based
01:20 dwaynecrooks: i did read up "F*dging up a Racket" which helped me alot with the ideas
01:21 dwaynecrooks: i was going to try the semantics as macros thing, but how do i implement labels and branching to labels
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01:22 eli: dwaynecrooks: An easy way to do that is using `letrec' (or equivalently -- using internal definitions).
01:23 eli: dwaynecrooks: You can see the skeleton of this idea here: http://pl.barzilay.org/assignment-9.html
01:23 eli: Probably more useful is to just see the code: http://pl.barzilay.org/assembly.rkt
01:24 eli: see the `fib' example in that file.
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01:27 dwaynecrooks: eli: thank you very much... i will read up on this and make the necessary changes
01:29 eli: dwaynecrooks: Just save those two pages somewhere, I'll probably take them off soon-ish, since I clear out the whole thing when the semester starts.
01:29 dwaynecrooks: oh... ok
01:30 dwaynecrooks: saved
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05:47 neilv: compile: bad syntax; literal data is not alloed, because no #%datum syntax transformer is bound in: "Foo Bar"
05:47 neilv: it was going so well
05:51 noelw: That's not a (require (for-syntax racket/base)) issue is it?
05:51 neilv: no
05:53 neilv: i think the problem might involve that i'm getting that via "read-syntax"
05:53 neilv: the syntax that eventually is a problem
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09:59 ohwow: is there `amb' in Racket?
09:59 ohwow: I can't find it in the documentation
09:59 rapacity: not built-in
09:59 rapacity: but there are implementations on planet
10:02 ohwow: hm, thanks
10:04 ohwow: Hm, for somereason I have errors installing modules from PLaneT by Emacs/Geiser
10:04 ohwow: get-module-code: no such file: #<path:C:\Users\dan\AppData\Roaming\Racket\planet\300\5.1.1\cache\murphy\amb.plt\1\1\planet-docs\info.rkt>
10:04 ohwow: === context ===
10:04 ohwow: c:\Program Files\Racket\collects\syntax\modcode.rkt:79:2: core
10:04 ohwow: c:\Program Files\Racket\collects\racket\enter.rkt:44:0
10:04 ohwow: standard-module-name-resolver
10:04 ohwow: c:\Program Files\Racket\collects\setup\setup-unit.rkt:717:6: for-loop
10:04 ohwow: c:\Program Files\Racket\collects\setup\setup-unit.rkt:709:2: make-info-domain-step
10:04 ohwow: but it still works...
10:06 (nick) samth_away -> samth
10:10 samth: ohwow: does it work with 'raco planet install' ?
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10:15 ohwow: yeah
10:16 ohwow: Are the videos from RacketCon avaliable yet?
10:17 samth: no, not yet
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10:32 clklein: samth: I'm mostly done with a `define-term' form that I think should cross one of the items of your Redex wishlist.
10:32 samth: clklein: woot!
10:32 samth: clklein: on a broader point
10:32 clklein: Do you have an example where you'd like to use a name bound by `define-term' as a pattern (e.g., in the LHS of a rule)?
10:33 samth: i think that rather than multiplying various ways to define different sorts of relations, you should have a goal of unifying them
10:34 clklein: Hrm, maybe. It would be nice if metafunctions and judgment forms just worked with traces, for example.
10:34 samth: right
10:35 samth: reduction relations are just relations with mode - +, and with domain = range
10:35 samth: and metafunctions are just relations with multiple inputs, 1 output, and and ordered definition form
10:36 ohwow: rudybot: eval xor
10:36 rudybot: ohwow: your sandbox is ready
10:36 rudybot: ohwow: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: xor in module: 'program
10:36 ohwow: :[
10:37 samth: rudybot: eval (define-syntax-rule (xor d e) (let ([d* d] [e* e]) (or (and d* (not e*)) (and e* (not d*)))))
10:37 rudybot: samth: your typed/racket sandbox is ready
10:37 rudybot: samth: Done.
10:37 samth: rudybot: eval (xor #t #f)
10:37 rudybot: samth: ; Value: #t
10:37 samth: rudybot: eval (xor #f #t)
10:37 rudybot: samth: ; Value: #t
10:37 samth: rudybot: eval (xor #f #f)
10:37 rudybot: samth: ; Value: #f
10:37 samth: rudybot: eval (xor #t #t)
10:37 rudybot: samth: ; Value: #f
10:37 samth: ohwow: done
10:37 clklein: samth: Yea, that might be worth doing. Unifying them would be a ton of work, but it might be easier to maintain in the long run.
10:38 samth: having the different ways to define them is great
10:38 samth: b/c some things are nicely expressed as judgments, or functions, or reduction relations
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10:42 ohwow: samth: Well I know that xor can be expressed with not/and/or, but in most languages it's in the core
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10:42 ohwow: I don't want to sound like a whiner
10:43 clklein: samth: Right, unifying them would be about using the same representation to make development easier.
10:43 samth: ohwow: really? i didn't think it was in the stdlib of any languages i know
10:44 samth: clklein: it might be, though, that it's hard to make metafunctions fast w/o representing them differently
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10:46 clklein: samth: Are they fast now? :)
10:46 ohwow: samth: hm, well
10:46 ohwow: actually
10:46 ohwow: now that you mentioned it
10:46 ohwow: the C family has the bitwise xor (which is in Racket) and Haskell has (/=)
10:46 ohwow: ...
10:47 ohwow: that's strange
10:47 samth: ohwow: /= in haskell is (compose not equal?) right?
10:47 ohwow: yea
10:48 clklein: samth: Anyway, do you have an example where you want to use a term constant in a pattern?
10:48 samth: oh, right
10:48 samth: one sec
10:49 clklein: It's not hard to make it work, and it's not hard, so I'll do it anyway. I'm just hoping to avoid a contrived example in the docs :)
10:49 samth: clklein: see https://github.com/samth/var/blob/master/lang.rkt#L57 which is a production defined specifically for that purpose
10:51 clklein: samth: Oh, what I'm building won't work for that.
10:51 samth: why not?
10:52 clklein: because that pattern represents multiple terms
10:52 clklein: any choice of x and ℓ
10:52 samth: the choice of x isn't that important
10:52 samth: but ℓ maybe
10:53 samth: what i mean is, i think it's always x
10:53 clklein: right
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10:54 clklein: I think this is two separate concepts: define-term for defining names bound in term templates and define-pattern for defining names bound in patterns
10:54 samth: for `define-pattern', i'd want general match-expander type abstraction
10:54 clklein: define-pattern might be somethign that came for free if we had match expanders
10:54 clklein: right
10:55 clklein: I'd like to do that, but it's a ton of work. The matcher would have to be reworked to not compare pattern variables symbolically
10:57 samth: yeah
10:57 clklein: I'll probably do it at some point but not this weekk.
11:00 clklein: OK, I'll scrap the pattern aspect of define-term then.
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19:51 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] [honu] add assignment operator - Jon Rafkind
19:51 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] [honu] macros can be defined with honu syntax - Jon Rafkind
19:51 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] [honu] treat #\return like #\newline - Jon Rafkind
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21:39 untangle: I'm running OSX 10.7.1. Racket (Intel 64) runs great ay work but won't launch at home. Any ideas?
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21:41 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix scribble pdf button - Robby Findler
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22:05 optikalmouse: what happens when a Contract in Racket fails?
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22:13 jonrafkind: it throws an error
22:13 jonrafkind: probably exn:contract or something
22:13 optikalmouse: ah ok
22:13 jonrafkind: exn:fail:contract
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23:11 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] [honu] allow already parsed expression to pass through - Jon Rafkind
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23:12 (part) optikalmouse: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"
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