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00:47 neilv: racket compiles seem slower than they used to
00:48 jonrafkind: you mean 'raco make blah.rkt' ?
00:48 neilv: maybe that's the documentation again
00:49 neilv: actually using "raco setup -l blah", but i should probably change the makefile
00:49 jonrafkind: i usually ctrl-c the scribble build step from 'make install'
00:49 neilv: heh
00:49 jonrafkind: btw -l is deprecated I guess or at least redundant
00:55 neilv: yeah, it's the documentation building that takes much more time than the code
00:56 neilv: it's not even funny
01:07 jonrafkind: yea
01:07 jonrafkind: thats why i dont bother. i just use docs.racket-lang.org
01:07 neilv: as soon as you install a planet package, you get a copy of docs in your home dir anyway
01:08 neilv: which is much faster to use than docs.racket-lang.org
01:08 neilv: plus it has all the docs for all the planet packages you have installed
01:09 jonrafkind: you mean documentation for a planet package is prebuilt and you just download the result?
01:09 neilv: i don't recall, but every time you install a planet package, it goes and reformats a full set of racket documentation in your home dir
01:10 neilv: file:///home/user/.racket/5.1.2/doc/search/index.html?q=case
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01:42 eli: jonrafkind: No, it needs to recompile it.
01:42 eli: neilv: What's html-template?
01:42 jonrafkind: but it would be nice if planet documentation was prebuilt..
01:42 neilv: eli: about to go up on planet. few minutes
01:42 eli: neilv: Also, if you know of any reason to upgrade the LGPL...  (I just didn't bother looking up.)
01:43 eli: neilv: Is this for generating HTML?
01:43 eli: jonrafkind: Yes, that's the plan.  (Which will require some HTML and/or JS hackery.)
01:47 eli: neilv: You're using "!!!" for a TODO marker.  Very bad.
01:48 eli: neilv: Also, do you know about `scribble/html'?  (Yet to be officially "public", since I didn't get to document it yet, but it's been there for a while now.)
01:51 neilv: bbiaf. need to finish before caffeine wears off
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02:15 neilv: i really need to fully automate this process, if i'm going to get through the next 30 packages
02:18 eli: neilv: Looking at that `%eval', you should definitely check out the `scribble/html' thing.
02:18 neilv: eli: i don't think i've seen scribble/html before, but the code looks like it does something interesting
02:19 eli: It's kind of like scribble/text, with a bunch of functions for html tags, which output the way you'd expect them.
02:20 neilv: eli: one thing i would like to do is, when you nest like this -- html-template > %eval > html-template -- the inner html-template gets information about context in the dtd, so you can do static checking on the static parts of that
02:21 neilv: like if you're in a table element and you have a for-each to do a tr element, the inner html-template will detect at compile time if you're doing something not permissible inside a table element
02:21 eli: neilv: Your example would be kind of like (define (write-essay my-title) @html{@head{@title{@my-title}}@body{@h1{@my-title}@p{Kittens claw. @br Puppies pee.}}}).
02:21 eli: But no static stuff, and no DTD stuff.
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04:39 dmac: Hi all, I'm new to racket and am having some trouble with the built in web server
04:39 dmac: I'm trying to dynamically add a dispatch rule. doing this works fine:
04:39 dmac: (dispatch-rules! app-container [("echo") echo-function])
04:40 dmac: However, when I try to replace the path string with a variable, I get an error.
04:40 dmac: (define path "echo")
04:40 dmac: (dispatch-rules! app-container [path echo-function])
04:40 dmac: I've tried many combinations of path, (path), '(path), `(,path), etc, but can't get anything to work.
04:40 dmac: Am I missing something obvious?
04:40 dmac: The error I'm getting is:
04:40 dmac: (dispatch-rules (path echo-function))
04:41 dmac: sorry, this:
04:41 dmac: dispatch-rules: bad syntax in: (dispatch-rules (path echo-function))
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07:42 Burlingk: Quick question, silly really.  I am playing arround with DrRacket, and I selected R5RS as the language because I am wanting to work through "The Little Schemer," if I want to save the definitions, what is the most apropriate extension to use? ^_^
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07:51 neilv: Burlingk: filename extension? .rkt
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09:00 samth: eli: the point of that code is not to be interesting, but to demonstrate how to write racket
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09:22 eli: samth: (Some simple polynomial multiplication or similar would be more effective.)
09:22 samth: eli: i don't see why
09:22 eli: samth: (But if you enjoy it, then who am I to stop you.)
09:23 samth: this is (a) doing something real, (b) in a domain that isn't standard textbook PL, (c) based on some code someone else wrote, making for useful comparison
09:23 eli: Because TFIDF is kind of like a near-trivial first-lecture thing, if you went through a course that did it, you'll scoff at the simplicity, if you didn't, you have no use for it.
09:23 samth: also, eli, ping re: wiki repo access
09:23 eli: So does polynomial multiplication.
09:23 eli: Bah.
09:24 eli: Just one more hack.
09:24 eli applies a postfix Y on that last utterance
09:24 samth: i figured that was implicit
09:24 samth: in all statements involving "hack"
09:25 eli: Nah, just one more.
09:25 eli: I swear.
09:25 eli: 3 minutes at most.
09:26 samth: oh, btw^2, i re-ran the benchmarks from the keywords paper, and the normalized times all got worse
09:27 samth: except the `list' one, which the optimizer now transforms into having no lists at all
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09:27 eli: samth: How about sending an email?
09:33 samth: eli: just to you and mflatt, or to the list?
09:33 samth: it's hard to tell whether the issue is mostly funcalls being faster, or something actually related to kws
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09:38 eli: samth: Probably the former.  He just worked on that, so everything should be paged in.
09:38 samth: ok, will do
09:39 eli: Thanksh.
09:39 eli: (I usually worry about such things, but like I said, I have one more hack.  Only 5 more minutes.)
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10:17 rekahsoft: hey everyone..
10:18 rekahsoft: anyone have a mysql server they can connect to + racket 5.1.2 + ryanc/db:1:5 rfom planet (you can allways just get this)
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10:25 rekahsoft: just want to confirm a bug..anyone?
10:25 rekahsoft: ryanc aroudn?
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10:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] doc `has-alpha-channel?' method - Matthew Flatt
10:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix broken-link reporting by `scribble' - Matthew Flatt
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10:43 samth: rekahsoft: i suggest posting on the users@ mailing list
10:45 rekahsoft: samth: alright..i already filed the issue on the projects github page
10:45 rekahsoft: tried to pm ryanc too but he isn't around right now
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15:26 danking: How do I introduce a new binding with a macro?
15:28 jonrafkind: you can pass the name of the binding to the macro (hygienic) or introduce it with syntax-local-introduce (unhygienic)
15:28 jonrafkind: or use (datum->syntax) and pass it a syntax object whose lexical properties come from the use of the macro
15:29 danking: Breaking hygiene was what I was looking for
15:29 danking: I'll take a look at that, thanks.
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15:31 jonrafkind: i tend to use (datum->syntax) instead of syntax-local-introduce
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16:15 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] This file uses this-expression-source-directory to implement this-package-version-symbol, but that comes from mzlib/etc which was not required - Jay McCarthy
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20:59 labnytru: coi rodo
20:59 labnytru: Which is Lojban for, "Hello, everyone!".
21:00 labnytru: I was directed here by the emacs channel. They say you guys are all about the teaching of programming, and I'm quite the newbie, myself.
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21:00 labnytru: I was looking for someone to learn with. I'm currently studying C++ and Scheme LISP, and working through the MIT textbook, SICP.
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21:06 offby1: .oO("Scheme LISP")
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21:07 offby1: labnytru: I've never tried it, but I've heard that "How To Design Programs", combined with DrRacket, is a nice way to learn
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21:08 labnytru: I have my own way of learning, and it requires a colleague. Though I am not unwilling to try other methods.
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21:43 WarWeasle: Hey eli, your fix works perfectly.
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21:45 WarWeasle: I'm curious how Racket does its cross platform windowing.
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