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04:59 _p4bl0: hi there! So I had an answer about why the scribble language documentation is missing in the debian package: the licensing of these files is unclear
05:00 _p4bl0: (so it's not dfsg-compliant)
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08:42 jasoegaard: hi
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12:32 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] disabled the wrong test. this is the right one - Jon Rafkind
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12:46 stamourv: _p4bl0: That's odd.
12:46 stamourv: I would assume the scribble docs to be under the same license as the rest of Racket.
12:48 _p4bl0: stamourv: me too. But the answer I received is clear: "The generation of the Scribble documentation is disabled since it relies on files with unclear licensing.  As such, we currently remove them from the Debian source package."
12:50 stamourv: If he's referring to lncs class files and things like that, these are not included anymore, for licencing reasons.
12:50 stamourv: But these are not used to general the docs, AFAIK.
12:50 stamourv: Do you know which files these are?
12:51 _p4bl0: nope
12:52 stamourv: I assume that bremner notified eli about this.
12:52 stamourv: Because that should be fixed.
12:52 _p4bl0: I agree
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13:19 jonrafkind: man.. drdr is behind by 70 pushes
13:21 stamourv: When it started, it was behind by about 150.
13:21 stamourv: It should catch up in about 3 days, or something.
13:22 jasoegaard: The complete license file is here: http://docs.racket-lang.org/license/index.html
13:23 jonrafkind: yea, it just means im going to get 70 more emails about a failing test
13:23 stamourv: jasoegaard: Right, but I don't see anything in there that has to do with the scribble docs.
13:24 stamourv: jonrafkind: Sounds like great incentive to fix your tests :).
13:24 jasoegaard: Perhaps the Debian maintainers were in dought?
13:24 jonrafkind: stamourv, i did already.. thats my point
13:24 jonrafkind: would it be so awful if drdr just skipped to the latest push?
13:24 jonrafkind: is there really any reason to do all the intermediate pushes?
13:24 jasoegaard: Do they have some kind of discussion archive?
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13:26 jonrafkind: jeapostrophe, what do you think?
13:27 stamourv: jasoegaard: I don't know.
13:27 jasoegaard: Hm. The last message (from April) suggests that Eli contacted all parties. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592688
13:27 stamourv: jonrafkind: Yeah, I don't know why DrDr had to start where it left off.
13:28 stamourv: jasoegaard: Right, I thought eli fixed all these issues.
13:29 jasoegaard: This bug is from June: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631679
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13:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Places - check for inter-place pointers - Kevin Tew
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13:32 jasoegaard: It seems there is a separate package racket-doc containing the documentation.
13:34 jasoegaard: stamourv: It must be some kind of Debian policy that makes it necessary to split racket in two packages.
13:39 stamourv: jasoegaard: I don't know if it's policy, but it's certainly convention.
13:40 stamourv: And it kind of makes sense. You don't necessarily want docs on a server, or if you're installing something as a dependency.
13:52 jasoegaard: Yes.
13:52 asumu: The docs are often pretty large relative to the software itself, so I'm usuallly happy not to install it even on a desktop.
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14:16 tauntaun: Does slideshow no longer offer item/bullet?
14:18 stamourv: tauntaun: I guess not, since I don't see it.
14:19 tauntaun: It's featured in the tutorial.  Would be a pity if it's gone, because it's obviously very useful.
14:20 stamourv: Hold on, I'm trying to figure out when/why it was removed.
14:21 clklein: wild guess but maybe when test-docs-complete stormed on to the scene
14:22 stamourv: A quick git-log indicates that any change occurred before 5.0, so probably not.
14:22 clklein: yea, definitely not
14:23 stamourv: The last change whose diff contains `item/bullet' is the great renaming.
14:23 tauntaun: Shouldn't that be capitalized?
14:23 stamourv: And that's the only change since 4.0.
14:24 stamourv: tauntaun: Capitalized?
14:24 tauntaun: ...as in: The Great Renaming.
14:24 stamourv: Sure.
14:24 tauntaun: Sorry, post-lunch humor...
14:24 stamourv: (But the commit message is all lowercase.)
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14:28 tauntaun: So is there a prognosis for it, or is it slated for extinction?
14:28 stamourv: tauntaun: item/bullet is still in the source, but not provided.
14:29 tauntaun: Ah.
14:29 stamourv: And given that the diffs don't really show anything, either it was only exported pre-4.0, or it never was.
14:29 stamourv: Sounds like a good bug report to me.
14:29 tauntaun clears throat.
14:29 tauntaun: Well...
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14:30 tauntaun: My last two bug reports failed to motivate, so maybe you should submit it?
14:33 stamourv: I doubt it was anything personal.
14:33 stamourv: Some bug reports are easy to act upon, and some are harder.
14:33 stamourv: And some people are faster at fixing bugs in their code than others.
14:34 tauntaun: j/k
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14:55 tauntaun: Actually the bug's a bit subtle for me, because slideshow's core.rkt successfully provides other functions (e.g., current-main-font) which appear to be defined as item/bullet is.  Anyway, I'll report the bug.
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16:43 ohwow: i really need to learn rackunit
16:43 gf3: same
16:44 gf3: oh btw
16:44 gf3: I made a tiny little site with racket
16:44 gf3: http://twatlr.com
16:44 gf3: https://github.com/gf3/twatlr.com
16:44 ohwow: It reverses the twitter convos? Nice
16:49 ohwow: Hm.. are there any videos from RacketCon avaliable?
16:50 ohwow: o nvm, read a thread on mailing list
16:50 ohwow: apparently it would be announce when the videos would be avaliable
16:50 gf3: ohwow: well it's just meant as a way to share a conversation
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17:51 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix the text of the slideshow tutorial to talk about #:bullet instead of item/bullet - Robby Findler
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18:56 asumu: Random thought: the Guide currently has a "note for Lispers/Schemers" but would it be useful to write a mini-Guide for, say, Java programmers?
18:56 asumu: (or Clojure or x ...)
18:58 asumu: Is there even much guide-like content for other Lispers aside from that note on the REPL?
18:59 asumu: (maybe this is a topic that would fit a Wiki format better actually)
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19:11 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] scribble/manual: add `current-display-width' parameter - Matthew Flatt
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19:21 gf3: btw is there a better REPL available?
19:22 gf3: something with ↑/↓ history and the ability to edit a line
19:22 gf3: MAYBE even tab completion?
19:23 jonrafkind: xrepl or just enable readline
19:27 gf3: jonrafkind: amazing, thank you
19:34 asumu: gf3: in general, there is a section on using Racket with an editor in the nightly docs now: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/guide/Using_Racket_with_Your_Editor_of_Choice.html
19:34 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/3dxngty
19:34 jonrafkind: in admiral
19:35 asumu: (it's a new section, so send feedback to mailing list or stamourv)
19:36 gf3: wow, I wish this existed a few months ago
19:36 gf3: this is great
19:36 gf3: might be worth mentioning that there is a vim script for a racket
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19:40 asumu: gf3: this one? https://github.com/wlangstroth/vim-racket
19:40 jonrafkind: i think "vim script" might be overstating what the vim sectino is about..
19:40 jonrafkind: oh.. unless you meant that
19:41 gf3: asumu: that's the one
19:41 jonrafkind: gf3, do you use that?
19:41 gf3: jonrafkind: I do
19:42 jonrafkind: does it make life infinitely better?
19:42 gf3: jonrafkind: infinitely so
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19:43 asumu: Cool, I hadn't seen this before. Will have to add this into the section.
19:43 asumu: And I have a few suggestions I'll send as pull requests.
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