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00:02 rekahsoft: i ended up just using
00:02 rekahsoft: (define-namespace-anchor a) at the start of my module
00:03 rekahsoft: then when i did eval i just passed in (namespace-anchor->namespace a) as the second parameter to eval
00:03 rekahsoft: works
00:03 rekahsoft: idk if its the pretties tho..
00:03 rekahsoft: pprettiest*
00:06 eli: rekahsoft: That means that the repl is using the same namespace the code is written in.
00:19 rekahsoft: eli: in this case this is what i want..its just so i can play around and mod the interface from itsself..
00:20 rekahsoft: in the app i am working on i plan on having a namespace with a bunch of stuff people can use to make extensions..i presume this is a good use?
00:20 rekahsoft: but maybe racket/sandbox would be better for that?
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00:43 eli: rekahsoft: Yes, it's has its uses, of course.  Emacs is a good example.  See also `compile-enforce-module-constants'.
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01:37 rekahsoft: eli: alright good to know :) i want to have the functionality in my app for debugging extention develoment (plugins)
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03:41 Blkt: good day everyone
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06:54 racket: [racket/master] Fix the path relative functions to return a string for a path input, - Eli Barzilay
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10:37 racket: [racket/master] add `port-set-next-location!'; make prompt read handler use it - Matthew Flatt
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11:39 vu3rdd: Is there a way to set the value of a key somewhere deep in a nested hash table and return the entire hash table?
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12:01 vu3rdd: Ok, I posted it to the users list.
12:02 vu3rdd: I am using the immutable hash table and hash-set to modify the values
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15:23 ApeShot: I tried to pull moby from the planet package repository, it frozen, I terminated the process, and now my documentation seems to be messed up somehow.
15:23 ApeShot: Specifically, I can't search it anymore
15:24 ApeShot: When I open a help desk, it pops up in my browser (chromium) but the search feature no longer functions
15:24 ApeShot: They two may not be related, but I have no other clues.
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15:31 ApeShot: Also, is it just me, or is forcing class initialization arguments to not be synonymous with class instance variables somewhat awkard?
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16:09 Daemmerung: Is this build failure familiar to anybody?  509: read (compiled): ill-formed code [..\..\Racket\Src\Read.c:4939]
16:10 Daemmerung: racketcgc.exe crashes immediately thereafter w/ an access viol inside scheme_top_level_do_worker.
16:11 jonrafkind: head?
16:11 Daemmerung: yeah, just did a "git pull" on a new build machine.
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16:12 jonrafkind: you are a brave man for building on windows
16:12 jonrafkind: but no ive never seen that error before
16:12 Daemmerung: that's how I roll
16:12 Daemmerung: okay, guess I'll have to actually understand this.
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16:26 Daemmerung: compile: unbound identifier in module (in phase 1, transformer environment) in: syntax-arm.  From racket/private/stxcase.rkt, line 300
16:27 Daemmerung: which kinda sorta matches the complaint that read.c was making
16:28 jonrafkind: i dont see how the two things are related
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16:32 Daemmerung: read.c was barfing inside read_compact: it had a compact syntax statement, bu was somehow failing inside the unmarshal data to syntax call.  stxcase.rkt doesn't know what a "syntax-arm" might be.
16:32 Daemmerung: now to figure out enough git to roll back to the version on my other machine, which builds fine
16:33 jonrafkind: git checkout asdfas90df9 <-- some sha1
16:34 Daemmerung genuflects
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16:34 Daemmerung: i'm a big fan of learning by doing, but my gittery is completely cargo cult at present
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17:17 ice_man: how do i set up emacs keybindings for drracket?
17:20 Daemmerung: edit -> preferences -> editing -> general -> clear "enable keybindings in menus"
17:21 ice_man: Daemmerung: Thank you sir! :) I feel much better now...
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17:22 Daemmerung: yeah, I'm lost w/o those bindings, too.
17:24 Daemmerung: also re my previous build failures: pebkac.  threw out my existing git dir, recloned, and now all is ducky.
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17:37 ice_man: Daemmerung: do you know where i can find a spec for user-defined keybindings when adding via edit -> keybindings -> add user-defined keybindings?
17:39 Daemmerung: I do not, unfortunately.  I use Emacs for any real editing.  Perhaps somebody else here does.  Check back when there's more activity here.
17:40 ice_man: Daemmerung: ditto on the emacs and will do thanks :)
17:43 neilv: i use emacs for most work. but when i use drracket, i just use the drracket bindings. they're not difficult
17:52 ice_man: neilv: for me, the absence of emacs keybindings feels like trying to do surgery with mittens on.  while i could get accustomed to new keybindings, the cost of doing so exceeds the benefit at this time
17:54 ice_man: neilv: which is why i use quack predominantly ;)
17:55 Daemmerung: isearch-forward, isearch-backwards, differences in sexp-forward etc, all contribute to my typing all manner of crap into buffers by accident.
18:07 ice_man: Daemmerung: yeah, i want to want to use drracket and i can see how it makes sense for students, but i feel like it could be so much more.  i would kill for a distilled, extensible emacs made in racket instead of elisp called "remacs".
18:11 ice_man: i really like how precise drracket feels, though.  it definitely has a unique and valuable place in the ecosystem.
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18:21 ice_man: is there a way to make the cursor in drracket not blink, and to make it into a rectangle one character wide instead of a line?
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18:37 neilv: ice_man: there is a more precise emacs mode for racket in the works. http://www.neilvandyke.org/weblog/2011/06/#2011-06-20
18:38 neilv: regarding reimplementing emacs in racket, people have been talking about rewriting emacs in scheme for decades, and there have been attempts, but none really successful so far
18:39 neilv: drracket is coming at that from another direction. might be easier to extend drracket to do the key things people want from emacs, than to write an emacs replacement
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18:46 tauntaun: Is there anything particularly wrong with Elisp?
18:47 tauntaun: neilv ^^
18:49 neilv: emacs is full of kludges
18:50 ice_man: neilv: I am really excited about meow! :)  would it be possible to make the prompt in meow read-only, like in slime?
18:51 neilv: the repl prompt? yes
18:51 ice_man: neilv: excellent! :) i am so excited for it.
18:52 neilv: tauntaun: emacs lisp has a lot of archaic bits and doesn't do TCO nor have a module system. it's not as nice to code in as racket
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18:56 tauntaun: neilv: Those aren't exactly deal-breakers, though I agree they'd be nice features.
19:00 ice_man: does anyone know if the name racket was chosen because it sort of sounds like "rocket" when spoken in a Boston accent?
19:01 jonrafkind: i highly doubt that
19:02 tauntaun: ice_man: It was more likely chosen as a shady synonym for 'scheme'.
19:02 tauntaun: (PLT folks can correct me if I'm wrong.)
19:03 tauntaun: On that point, I'd like to venture a wish that a different name have been chosen.
19:04 ice_man: tauntaun: yeah, i sort of figured that one out, i just thought maybe there was an additional layer of cleverness to it
19:04 tauntaun: (Is 'have' the past subjunctive?)
19:04 jonrafkind: such a sentiment is felt by many, but the name is super unlikely to change anymore
19:04 tauntaun: Yes, that much has been made clear.
19:04 tauntaun sighs.
19:05 ice_man: nothing better than a racket next door
19:06 ice_man: or the sound of clanging pots and pans
19:19 Daemmerung: Guile's strategy is clever: become a better elisp than Emacs' own, then infiltrate Emacs under the guise of providing a better elisp engine: voila, Emacs "in Scheme."  At least, I think that's its strategy.
19:19 Daemmerung: Racket is probably too big to try the same tack, however.
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19:52 tauntaun: Anyone know how to deal with the following error (the web is not particularly helpful): Lisp error: (error "Recursive `require' for feature `w3m'")
19:52 tauntaun: require(w3m)
19:52 tauntaun: Shoot!
19:53 tauntaun: I meant that for #emacs. Disregard.
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22:39 r2q2: hi
22:39 r2q2: i have a stupid racket packaging question
22:39 r2q2: how do I put in the package manifest for it to recognise my docs
22:39 r2q2: i wrote my doc
22:39 r2q2: it compiles
22:39 r2q2: when i try to package it
22:39 r2q2: it doesn't find the racket thing
22:40 r2q2: the manual.scribl
22:41 jonrafkind: (define scribblings '(("vi.scrbl" ())))
22:41 jonrafkind: you have something like that?
22:41 jonrafkind: as opposed to (define doc.txt "doc.txt")
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