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05:49 racket: [racket/master] Fix bogus username - Eli Barzilay
05:49 racket: [racket/master] Two more names to the pile - Eli Barzilay
05:49 racket: [racket/master] Try to avoid weird race in windows installer packaging - Eli Barzilay
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09:18 sadnoob: is it normal that my drracket dont highlight between parenthesis on linux?
09:30 bremner: no
09:30 sadnoob: D:
09:31 bremner: maybe a colour problem? It should be light gray
09:31 bremner: at least when the cursor is in that window
09:32 sadnoob: ithink ill try installing racket on my ubuntu partition
09:32 bremner: huh? where is it installed now?
09:33 sadnoob: fedora 14
09:33 bremner: oh. OK.
09:33 sadnoob: ty
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09:56 happynoob: just for the record, i changed to kde and it works perfect (on the same fedora)
09:57 bremner: so maybe a theming issue?
09:57 bremner: iirc, drracket is gtk based now
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10:07 racket: [racket/master] Change Module-Path to be union type instead of a Base type. Closes PR 11963. - Eric Dobson
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10:08 bremner: maybe choosing a different gtk theme helps (wild stab in the dark)
10:09 samth: bremner: he quit
10:10 bremner: ok
10:10 samth: but i assume this is the same problem people have been reporting on the mailing list
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10:16 samth: mithos28: i think both your current pull requests are taken care of
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10:26 clklein: samth: In case you're curious, Robby explained that Scribble bibliography issue to me.
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10:28 clklein: The problem was that the `element' with the \newpage wasn't in any section.
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10:29 yoklov: anybody have experience working with places?
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10:29 clklein: define-cite's generate-bibliography is like include-section, in that what follows needs to begin a new section
10:29 clklein: Robby suggested putting the \newpage in a hidden, unnumbered section.
10:34 yoklov: i basically am just wondering how much overhead there is if you are running something in a separate place.
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10:35 racket: [racket/master] removed bogus methods from docs (leftovers from when the functionality was in a different place than it currently is (I think)) - Robby Findler
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11:50 samth: yoklov: currently, there's significant overhead for creating a new place
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11:50 samth: or are you asking about the communication overhead?
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11:55 racket: [racket/master] adding example for exns - Danny Yoo
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12:10 forelle: Hello everyone. Which language do I have to set to so that the position in which the function definitions occur in the buffer does not matter? I'm currently using 'Beginning Student' since I'm working my way through htdp...
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12:11 samth: forelle: function definitions must appear before you use them
12:11 samth: other than that, the order doesn't matter
12:12 forelle: ok. thanks.
12:13 mithos28: samth: did my fix for PR 11912 get merged?
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12:19 samth: mithos28: seems not
12:19 samth: i'll do that
12:22 samth: mithos28: done
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12:22 racket: [racket/master] Corrects types for typed/rackunit. Closes PR 11912. - Eric Dobson
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12:31 samth: mithos28: the following types need documentation:    Custodian
12:31 samth: Inspector
12:31 samth: Internal-Definition-Context
12:31 samth: Namespace-Anchor
12:31 samth: Parameterization
12:31 samth: ThreadCellof
12:31 samth: UDP-Socket
12:31 samth: Variable-Reference
12:31 samth: can you do that?
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12:35 yoklov: samth: no, that is what I was asking, and that's currently the only way to write programs that run on multiple cores?
12:36 samth: yoklov: there's also futures, which have lower overhead, but are a different and less isolated and less guaranteed system
12:38 yoklov: oh, I wasn't aware that futures ran concurrently
12:38 mithos28: samth: yep
12:42 yoklov: so is there any way to tell if your future is running in parallel, aside from comparing the runtime?
12:53 samth: yoklov: see the documentation for futures, it will tell you if it's blocking
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16:03 yoklov: so I've been stuck on something:  as an extra project (and for fun) for one of my professors, i'm implementing a very simple gui library for use with a freshman CSE course (taught in scheme/racket).  It's mostly going to be used to draw fractals and the like to the screen. (they write a function that takes an x and y coordinate on a cartesian plane as an input, and the library calculates what the points should be and calls that function f
16:03 yoklov: regardless, because a fractal calculation is fairly expensive, this can lock up the frame, which is undesirable.  also, killing the current thread is undesirable, as that stops the REPL
16:04 jonrafkind: mabye you can run the calculation in a new thread?
16:04 yoklov: anyway, I've gotten it working, but it feels un-scheme-like/doesnt make sense in terms of scope
16:04 yoklov: yeah
16:04 yoklov: i am
16:04 jonrafkind: so whats the issue?
16:04 yoklov: theres a part where i have
16:04 samth: threads are perfectly fine
16:04 samth: don't worry about "schemelike:
16:04 yoklov: well
16:04 yoklov: yes
16:04 yoklov: I have a part that looks something like this (define f (new (class frame% (augment [on-close (lambda () (begin (kill-thread thd)... etc., where thd is a thread that is defined a few lines later and looks something like (define thd (thread (draw-crap-to-f)))
16:05 jonrafkind: doesnt the draw thread end naturally?
16:05 yoklov: usually, however if they close the window, i'd like the thread to stop
16:05 jonrafkind: oh right, so sounds good then
16:06 jonrafkind: alternatively you could make a new custodian just for the calculating thing and shut it down
16:06 yoklov: well, i'm referencing an identifier that hasn't been bound
16:06 yoklov: hm
16:06 yoklov: that sounds like how i should be doing it
16:06 jonrafkind: that might be useful if you dont want the calculating thread to use up all available resources, but thats probably not your main consideration
16:06 jonrafkind: so define thd in a higher scope and mutate it
16:06 jonrafkind: (set! thd (thread ...))
16:07 yoklov: oh
16:07 yoklov: yeah.
16:07 yoklov: that makes sense.
16:07 yoklov: thats seems like a more reasonable way to be doing it, thanks.
16:08 jonrafkind: is `bibliography' a macro? i tried to do (apply bibliography bibs) and it didnt do anything
16:08 jonrafkind: oh wait.. i messed something else up
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18:19 racket: [racket/master] Avoid unintended pun. - Eli Barzilay
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22:31 offby1: ooh, ooh: I need to see that commit
22:32 offby1: heh
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