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13:48 didi: I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 and the menu bar is too small, either at Doctor Racket or after one created by myself. I see that it's apparently a bug (reading from the mailing list) and it has been fixed, but I'm still experiencing it. I'm using Racket 5.1.1 compiled from source.
13:49 bremner_: didi: so the commit that fixes it is in 5.1.1?
13:49 didi: bremner_: I don't know.
13:49 bremner_: do you have the hash handy?
13:49 didi: bremner_: I have the url from the mailing list if that helps: http://osdir.com/ml/racket.development/2011-05/msg00145.html
13:50 bremner_: ugh, osdir
13:51 didi: bremner_: No, Google. ;)
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13:55 bremner_: hmm. Well, that looks like work to track down the exact commit, but it looks like about 2 weeks after 5.1.1 was released
14:02 didi: :(
14:02 bremner_: you already build from source, why not just grab the git?
14:05 didi: It's not a big deal. It's just an inconvenience.
14:06 bremner_: sure.
14:09 eli: Yes, that fix was done a short while ago, and is not in 5.1.1
14:10 didi: It's an important fix, though.
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15:06 eli: didi: Yes it is; it didn't get into 5.1.1 because it was made after that, not because of some decision to make people suffer.
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15:35 tonyg: Any suggestions for pruning the collects directory to some minimal subset?
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15:36 tonyg: The context: I want to run racket on an embedded system with 64MB RAM and 16 MB flash, meaning racket has to fit into a spare corner of the whole filesystem such that the whole thing fits into <16MB (not sure how much less)
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15:54 eli: tonyg: Probably not.  Just the racket, syntax, and mzlib collections (they're all very core-ish) is over 16mb, and that doesn't include an executable, and shared libraries.
15:55 didi: eli: I didn't think it was.
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19:03 offby1: hooray, I uploaded 20,000 of rudybot's "userinfo" records to amazon's simple db.
19:03 offby1: that is all.
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20:39 em: Hey does racket have a hard time working with https?  I successfully got data from a url with (get-pure-port ) but when I changed the url to an https url, now it cannot do it.
20:40 jonrafkind: theres some ssl library
20:40 jonrafkind: maybe you have to use that first
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20:50 em: okay i'll look into that.
20:51 offby1: yeah, there is; it's kinda weird.  For a long time I had some kludgy thing eli whipped up for me.  I dunno if it's in the official distro or not
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21:38 eli: em: This is what offby1 is talking about: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x
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22:33 em: eli: a picture?
22:34 eli: em: just "x".
22:35 em: oh okay. So it's a simple thing.
22:36 em: (lambda (x) (x x)) seems like a malicious procedure though.
22:37 eli: em: I suspect that you're still reading the wrong URL.
22:37 em: isn't that saying create a function with the argument x and use it as its own operator?
22:37 eli: No.
22:37 em: oh wait.
22:38 em: sorry irssi did not include the /x for some reason :)
22:39 eli: Ah.
22:40 em: eli: that looks very advanced.
22:40 em: so much import export and commands that have / in them.
22:40 eli: em: Just use the code as is, and then you get `ssl:get-pure-port' etc.
22:41 dyoo: scribble question: how does one make a hyperlink reference to a planet module?
22:41 em: okay
22:41 dyoo: I'm trying: @racketmodlink[(planet dyoo/js-vm)]{js-vm}
22:42 dyoo: but it produces the error message during raco setup: raco setup: WARNING: undefined tag in <planet>/dyoo/moby.plt/3/10/manual.scrbl:
22:44 em: eli: that worked.
22:44 em: I would never have come up with your code there in a million years.
22:45 eli: em: Note that the code is the moral equivalent of just clicking through your browser's warning about the site etc.
22:45 eli: dyoo: Best to ask on the list.  (IIRC, Carl has some relevant utilities that were added to planet.)
22:45 eli: (possibly)
22:47 dyoo: ok, will ask on the list.  thanks
22:47 em: eli: i see.
22:48 em: eli: it's just that it uses a lot of commands that dont look like standard scheme things. What does (link  ) mean?
22:50 eli: em: It's a bunch of stuff about units etc.  You're right that it's too complicated and should be in.  I considered that for a while, then realized that all of net/url should really be overhauled, and that requires more time than I could allocate yet.
22:51 em: when you say 'should be in.' what does that mean?
22:55 eli: em: You should get something like `get-pure-port' that works on https too.
22:55 eli: ...in the default distribution.
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23:00 em: eli: oh cool. Yeah it's funny I suppose - if it were just in the default, all behind the scenes, it wouldn't shake my confidence. :)
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23:01 em: Basically what it boils down to is that if a person needs to be Eli in order to use Racket then probably less than 10 percent of humans can use Racket :)
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23:13 eli: em: Like I said, it's just a bad edge case...
23:13 eli: The url library needs much more -- following redirections, dealing with errors, cookies, etc.
23:14 em: that's cool. :) I'm sure you guys will get it sorted out.
23:14 eli: Hopefully...
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