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02:34 elliottcable: hey all. I’m new to lisp/scheme in general and Racket in specific.
02:35 elliottcable: without using (module …) (or, thus, #lang), can I import another module, and then export stuff from it?
02:35 elliottcable: Jesus, I worded that terribly.
02:35 elliottcable: I have a “Paws.r6rs-lib” file, and then a “main.rkt” file that I want to expose the same things
02:36 eli: elliottcable: You need to have a module to export stuff from.
02:37 elliottcable: eli: Well, I’m defining a module in Paws.r6rs-lib (something like `(module Paws r6rs … )`)
02:37 eli: Mixing r6rs code with racket modules is a bad idea.
02:37 elliottcable: and I’d like to make `(require (Paws))` receive that stuff. I understand I need a main.rkt in my library directory to achieve this, yes?
02:38 elliottcable: eli: really, I just want an r6rs library. I’m just trying to figure out how to make it Racket-friendly.
02:38 eli: It's friendly to racket code that uses the r6rs language...
02:40 elliottcable: I’m not sure I understand. Like I said, I’m still in the middle of learning it, but I’m trying to learn by doing, so I’m trying to create a file here to start writing code in; just trying to figure out how to make that file amneable to being included into others’ Racket code.
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02:40 elliottcable: am I to understand that Racket is not compatible with an r6rs library unless the person who wants to consume the library is also using only r6rs? i.e. they’re seperate sets, not a superset relationship?
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02:41 elliottcable: I was hoping to gain wider compatibility by writing a generic r6rs library instead of specifically, a Racket module, but maybe that’s not the best goal then
02:50 eli: elliottcable: Racket had a module system since way before r6rs,
02:50 eli: when r6rs had a library system specified, it was implemented in racket -- on top of its own module system.
02:50 eli: However, there are some differences that make r6rs code pretty different,
02:51 eli: the main one is that pairs (lists etc) in racket are immutable -- for mutable ones it has mpairs (`mcons', `mcar', `set-mcar!' etc).
02:52 eli: The implementation of r6rs in racket uses these mpairs to implement pairs, so from the racket side they're a different type than pairs, which means that to pass them around you need to translate back and forth.
02:54 elliottcable: hm, makes sense
02:55 elliottcable: are there many other worthwhile r6rs implementations than Racket? Am I losing users by writing r6rs code and forcing Racket users to go through some transitory stuff to call into and recieve calls from my APIs?
02:55 elliottcable: or, more likely, am I adding a lot more work for myself to build a compatibility layer for people calling in from “Racket” code? (as opposed to r6rs code)
03:08 elliottcable: eli: what about (provide) vs. (export)?
03:18 Sgeo is looking at Chicken
03:18 elliottcable: oh hey, Sgeo. Thanks for your help last week (ish? I have a bad memory.)
03:18 elliottcable: that was you, right?
03:18 Sgeo: I guess Chicken has things that Racket doesn't have? Specifically, there's a function alist->hash-table
03:19 Sgeo: elliottcable, um... not sure if I could be helpful with Scheme-ish stuff, since I'm a bit of a beginner with that
03:19 Sgeo: But.. remind me what about?
03:19 Sgeo: And if I can't remember, assume it wasn't me, perhaps
03:19 Sgeo: Although I think we have talked before
03:19 elliottcable: hm. okay.
03:19 elliottcable: Oh, no, you joined ##Paws. That’s where I know your name from.
03:19 elliottcable: … though, apparently you left. :D
03:20 Sgeo: Ah. That.
03:24 DT``: Sgeo, alist->hash-table in racket is make-hash.
03:25 Sgeo: Ah
03:35 elliottcable: Am I correct in deducing that this is the format to create a R6RS library file, in Racket? https://gist.github.com/970148
03:36 elliottcable: as I understand it, the `(module foo r6rs … )` is necessary to bring in `#%module-begin`, which is then necessary to differentiate library-style and top-level-style body content, yes?
03:41 elliottcable: Also, is there a way to make `racket -i` *not* print the version when it runs?
03:47 eli: elliottcable: In general, I think that the number of people who use racket is much larger than users of all r6rs schemes combined.
03:48 eli: rudybot: (define t (make-hash '([x . 1] [y . 2])))
03:48 rudybot: eli: Done.
03:48 eli: rudybot: (hash-ref t 'x)
03:48 rudybot: eli: ; Value: 1
03:48 eli: Sgeo: ^^
03:49 Sgeo: Ok
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12:20 ohwow: Hello, how are you?
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12:28 samth: good
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15:06 tubeamp: hi folks
15:06 tubeamp: i think i've found a bug in DrRacket 5.1
15:08 stamourv: what is it?
15:09 tubeamp: when pressing Alt+Space on Windows, as I do frequently to open the Window menu, it gives me an "Internal Error" message
15:09 tubeamp: this happens on WinXP and Win7 at least
15:10 tubeamp: this is the message in the error dialog: http://pastebin.com/enV0f2a3
15:11 tubeamp: additionally, a console window pops up (with the same message in it), which cannot be closed until DrRacket itself is closed
15:11 stamourv: have you tried with 5.1.1?
15:11 tubeamp: not yet
15:12 stamourv: I don't have a windows machine on hand to try to reproduce it
15:12 stamourv: give it a try, and let me know if it still happens
15:12 tubeamp: in progress
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15:19 tubeamp: nice, in 5.1.1 it works :-)
15:21 stamourv: great!
15:22 stamourv: there's a lot of new goodies in 5.1.1 too
15:24 tubeamp: i.e. it used the new file format as default (on my ubuntu machine), which I didn't like at all
15:26 bremner_: new file format?
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15:28 tubeamp: This file uses the GRacket editor format.    Open this file in DrRacket version 5.1.1 or later to read it.     Most likely, it was created by saving a program in DrRacket,    and it probably contains a program with non-text elements    (such as images or comment boxes).
15:28 tubeamp: but there is only text in it, and no teachpacks are used
15:28 bremner_: oic
15:28 stamourv: are you in a student language?
15:29 _p4bl0: hi everyone
15:30 tubeamp: HtDP Intermediate
15:31 _p4bl0: since Racket v5.1 I have a problem with drawing, I have an error "compile: unbound identifier in module in: draw-rectangle" (or draw-rounded-recatble for instance). My code worked with Racket v5.0.2.  Is it a known bug?
15:31 _p4bl0: or do I have to make some change inmy code? I read the doc and it doesn't seem so
15:32 samth: have you loaded the 2htdp/draw teachpack?
15:32 _p4bl0: samth: me or tubeamp?
15:33 _p4bl0: samth: I require'd racket/gui/base et racket/draw
15:33 _p4bl0: (I don't use DrRacket, and no teachpack either)
15:34 samth: ok, what module is `draw-rectangle' from?
15:34 _p4bl0: racket/draw
15:34 samth: ok
15:34 samth: then your code should work
15:34 _p4bl0: it's a method of dc object
15:35 samth: then calling it without send will not work
15:36 _p4bl0: that's what I do, I'll paste you the method
15:36 _p4bl0: http://pastie.org/1897917
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15:37 _p4bl0: (block-width and block-height are field of my class)
15:38 samth: does it work if you use plain `send' and not `send*'?
15:39 _p4bl0: I'll try
15:40 _p4bl0: ,ope
15:40 _p4bl0: nope*
15:40 samth: hmm
15:40 _p4bl0: oh wait
15:40 samth: can you paste that as well?
15:40 _p4bl0: I changed the wrong method
15:41 _p4bl0: yeup it seems to work is I don't use send*
15:42 _p4bl0: So I have to refactor all my code to use send instead of send*... that's not really cool
15:45 _p4bl0: send* is really useful sometimes, the code is much more cleaner with it
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15:55 samth: _p4bl0, can you come up with a small example of `send*' breaking?
15:57 samth: it seems to be working for me in exactly the intended way
15:57 samth: in particular, your example works fine
16:01 _p4bl0: samth: since I fixed it by using send instead of send* it seems to work even with send*... mmm I must have done something else, let me check git diffs
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16:08 _p4bl0: mmmm :-S I don't understand anything: I git reverted to where I was when it didn't work and now it's working... and git diffs show nothing but the send* -> send change...
16:09 _p4bl0: I must I've done something else they're no other possibility, but I really don't see what!
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16:24 _p4bl0: How can I tell racket to show me more context when there is an error?
16:26 _p4bl0: I now have another error, but the context consist almost only of "continue-make-super" and after 15 lines there's '...'
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16:44 _p4bl0: "initialization for a class that implements area<%>: expected argument of type <exact integer in [0, 10000]>; given 1/2" <-- How should I understand this? Does area<%> expect 2 arguments which are "<exact integer in [0, 10000]>" or did it receives "1/2" as argument where it was expecting an "<exact integer in [0, 10000]>"?
16:46 jonrafkind: the latter.. but i dont understand how you could come to the former
16:46 jonrafkind: ohhhhhhhh
16:46 jonrafkind: rofl! 1/2..
16:46 _p4bl0: hu?
16:47 jonrafkind: you interpreted 1/2 as "one out of two arugments"
16:47 _p4bl0: yep ^^
16:47 jonrafkind: errors could be better.. "expected argument of type blah but instead was given foo"
16:48 _p4bl0: that sounds ocamlish :-p
16:48 jonrafkind: you mean.. verbose?
16:49 _p4bl0: no, I mean that this kind of type error are familiar to who have used OCaml
16:50 _p4bl0: now I have to figure where tf something eval to 1/2 in my code... I don't even have non integer values
16:51 _p4bl0: (and teh error doesn't tell which line or expression caused it, and something like every GUI widgets implements area<%>
16:51 _p4bl0: -_-
16:53 jonrafkind: yes, line numbers and racket are distant cousins
16:53 jonrafkind: welcome to printf debugging
16:53 jonrafkind: you can try to use errortrace
16:54 _p4bl0: reading the doc, thx
16:59 _p4bl0: mmmm it's not a big help
17:00 _p4bl0: ho! it seems that sometimes my 1/2 is 2/5...
17:01 jonrafkind: maybe use contracts to discover who is passing in 1/2 or whatever
17:03 samth: jonrafkind, i don't understand what you mean by: " yes, line numbers and racket are distant cousins"
17:03 samth: i get plenty of line numbers
17:03 jonrafkind: yes, most of them are from irrelevant libraries
17:04 jonrafkind: the only time racket produces useful line number information is at compile time, at runtime you get nothing useful
17:05 samth: jonrafkind, you're totally wrong about that
17:05 samth: i get useful line numbers all the time
17:05 jonrafkind: i almost never do
17:05 jonrafkind: so how am I wrong?
17:05 _p4bl0: same as jonrafkind here
17:05 samth: the fact that they include libraries is inherent in stack traces
17:05 jonrafkind: thats fine, but they dont give me line numbers from my own code
17:05 jonrafkind: so its useless information
17:06 jonrafkind: even in the rare case that I get a line number pointing to my own code, it points to the start of a 20 line function, and the error is somewhere inside
17:06 samth: that what a stack trace is!
17:06 jonrafkind: have you used java?
17:07 samth: yes
17:07 samth: java also has stack traces
17:07 jonrafkind: exceptions point to exactly what line threw the error in the first place
17:07 jonrafkind: not the containing function
17:07 _p4bl0: but you have to write java code
17:08 jonrafkind: occasionally I'd rather have an easily debuggable environment than a powerful one
17:09 _p4bl0: I was just trolling ;-)
17:09 jonrafkind: heh
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17:48 _p4bl0: okay everything works again now. It seems that the new graphical backend is so fast that some stuff like window resizing (or at least the call to the on-size method) happened way earlier and other stuff in my program were not ready yet!
17:49 samth: w00t
17:51 _p4bl0: so now I have to improve a bit the gameplay and then I can release Racketris, a multiplayer tetris in racket :-)
17:51 _p4bl0: I hope I'll have some time this week-end
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18:23 samth: _p4bl0, sounds fun
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18:27 YokYok: I have no idea what is the keyboard shortcut in DrRacket to switch the input from the interpreter to the editor
18:27 YokYok: I wasn't able to find that in the keybindings menu
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18:39 EM03: did they ever upgrade the version of wxwidgets used in racket?
18:39 jonrafkind: yea, upgraded to /dev/null
18:39 EM03: Also is it possible to build standalone applications with racket with wx for some fast prototyping?
18:39 dyoo: YokYok: it used to be bound to 'Ctrl-x o', but I don't think it's bound in drracket 5.1.1
18:40 jonrafkind: why would youw ant to combine racket with wx?
18:40 jonrafkind: do you realize all the wx code is gone in 5.1?
18:40 EM03: I meant build a quick gui application?
18:40 EM03: I have no idea
18:40 EM03: had*
18:40 jonrafkind: i mean just use the gui libraries racket comes with
18:40 jonrafkind: whehter its implemented in wx or something else shouldn't concern you
18:41 EM03: I didn't even know racket had any to begin with
18:41 dyoo: EM03: have you seen http://docs.racket-lang.org/gui/index.html already?
18:41 EM03: I'm lookingat it right now
18:41 EM03: what does it use for drawing? its own thing or the native platform?
18:42 dyoo: depends on platform now; on linux, I believe it's gtk
18:42 jonrafkind: 5.1 is native, older than 5.1 is wx
18:42 EM03: winodws and mac?
18:42 jonrafkind: yea, and linux
18:42 EM03: is it native win32 drawing api with 5.1?
18:42 EM03: If so thats pretty crazy
18:44 jonrafkind: yea
18:45 dyoo: EM03: relevant entry about the current gui system: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2010/12/racket-version-5.html
18:46 YokYok: thanks dyoo for the answer, yes ctrl+x+o does nothing and I have 5.1.1
18:46 EM03: hmm with all of that written in racket does it slow it down at all?
18:46 EM03: when before it was in c++ ?
18:47 jonrafkind: the gui is a bit slower, but its not clear if its because of the move to native libraries (gtk in my case) or c++ to racket
18:47 EM03: hmmm I see
18:47 jonrafkind: probably a bit of both
18:48 EM03: slow gui's are never fun
18:48 bremner_: I didn't notice any slowdown but I only use it occasionally
18:49 bremner_: actually 5.1.1 seemed a bit faster
18:49 jonrafkind: fwiw, java's gui is slow as molasses on my system. its partly a function of your underlying graphics capabilities
18:49 jonrafkind: but still the 5.0 gui was faster, and that was when I was using a worse driver
18:50 EM03: I can't say its fast here .....3 years old mac here
18:50 jonrafkind: you're trying drracket?
18:51 EM03: yes
18:51 jonrafkind: i mean i haven't used any racket gui's besides drracket, so it also might be how drracket uses the gui
18:51 EM03: well I'm using it now
18:51 EM03: wx apps  can be slow to
18:51 EM03: true native is best usually
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18:52 samth: jonrafkind, i think slideshow is faster these days
18:52 samth: but drracket a little slower
18:52 jonrafkind: ah yea, i haven't tried slideshow yet
18:52 samth: at least, that's my subjective feeling
18:52 samth: could be totally wrong
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21:30 Smooth_: anyone know where the default installation location is in Ubuntu?
21:33 shofetim: try whereis racket ?
21:47 Smooth_: i found it, it wasn't installed actually
21:47 Smooth_: i couldn't install it in my usr because i didn't have permissions
22:04 EM03: what other languages have a concept like contracts?
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22:10 samth: EM03, see here: <Smooth_> anyone know where the default installation location is in Ubuntu?
22:10 samth: dammit
22:10 samth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_contract
22:11 EM03: this something new to me
22:11 EM03: languages I have used look to have 3rd party support but I never used them nor have I saw others use it
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22:27 EM03: are classes heavily used by racket people? or scheme people in general?
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23:09 DT``: EM03, I'd say no (scheme in general), and depends (racket).
23:10 DT``: with racket, the only place where you're forced to use classes is with the GUI system.
23:10 EM03: Ah
23:11 DT``: but surely not ``heavily''.
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23:51 wwwd: I'm trying to follow "How to Design Programs". When I use animate which is a primative I get an error "animate: name is not defined, not a parameter, and not a primitive name". Anyone familiar enough with this tutorial to tell me what I am doing wrong?
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