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01:05 ASau: JFYI, racket doesn't build on NetBSD.
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01:05 ASau: It tries to dlopen library that uses pthreads.
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01:05 ASau: To do so it should be linked against pthreads itself.
01:05 jonrafkind: do you have the energy to send an email to the list?
01:05 jonrafkind: im sure matthew will fix it
01:05 ASau: I'm testing a quick fix right now.
01:05 jonrafkind: ok
01:06 ASau: Does your list require registration?
01:06 jonrafkind: i think if you send an email it might auto-register you, i forget exactly what happens
01:06 jonrafkind: eli, ?
01:06 ASau: I just don't want to register and unregister only to send couple of messages.
01:07 jonrafkind: in the worst case send an email directly to matthew, mflatt@cs.utah.edu
01:07 ASau: Alright.
01:07 eli: 1. Sending an email now would be good, since Matthew has dealt with a bunch of *bsd issues recently.
01:08 eli: 2. Trying the current master would be a good idea for the same reason.  (There was some fix today too, I think, but might not be that.)
01:08 eli: 3. You can subscribe to the list and turn off message delivery, so you can always send emails without subscribing.
01:08 eli: 4. If you want, I can do that for you.
01:08 eli: 5. 4 items should be enough for anyone.
01:08 ASau: Hm.
01:09 ASau: What is your CVSROOT or SVNROOT?
01:09 jonrafkind: rofl.. cvs..
01:09 Demosthenes: yoklov: poke
01:09 eli: ASau: We've been on git for about a year now.
01:09 ASau: Alright, URL?
01:10 eli: ASau: See git.racket-lang.org
01:10 ASau: Thank you.
01:10 eli: git clone git://git.racket-lang.org/plt.git
01:10 eli: Or via http: git clone git://git.racket-lang.org/plt.git
01:10 eli: Or using our github mirror: git clone git://git.racket-lang.org/plt.git
01:10 eli: (etc)
01:11 jonrafkind: i thought you had to have an ssh key to use racket's git
01:11 jonrafkind: and if you were just some random person you had to use github
01:11 eli: jonrafkind: Only if you want to push commits.
01:12 jonrafkind: oh, so why do we use github?
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01:12 jonrafkind: just for the interface?
01:12 eli: jonrafkind: as a mirror, and for the web interface.
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01:18 ASau: Well... Builds are too slow. I'll send preliminary patches against 5.1.1 first.
01:18 ASau: ...If I get them tested at this pace at all.
01:23 eli: ASau: It would be better to email first, since this *has* been discussed a lot since 5.1.1.
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01:39 evhan: whoops, don't mind me.
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02:09 ASau: In addition I need to explain it somehow that "libpng.so" is called slightly differently.
02:09 ASau: eli: alright, I'll send mail in the evening, gotta go.
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16:14 EM03: in the web server docs there is a ton of overlap
16:15 EM03: what do the dev's who work on this think about the whole html generation vs html templates?
16:25 eli: EM03: They have different use cases.
16:26 EM03: what do you suggest eli ?
16:26 eli: ?
16:26 eli: ... that they have different use cases.
16:27 EM03: can you explain the difference?
16:27 EM03: i mean they seem to fit the same use case
16:28 eli: In one case you write code that generates HTML; in the other case you write HTML that has values plugged in coming from code.  You'd probably prefer the first if you write the code yourself, and the second if you're working with people who are "web designers" who want to write plain HTML templates rather than code.
16:28 eli: That's not a distinction that is unique to this web server framework, BTW.
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20:59 Sgeo: Why does clicking Run restart the REPL?
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21:04 bremner_: well, you might have changed the #lang line for example.
21:04 Sgeo: It can't check whether I did or not, and if I didn't, not restart the REPL?
21:04 bremner_: dunno.
21:05 bremner_: I think there are other issues, that was just what I thought of right away.
21:06 Sgeo: Ah
21:07 bremner_: in the plai language, things like define-type don't work very well when re-evaluated in the same repl
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21:37 samth: Sgeo, see http://blog.racket-lang.org/2009/03/drscheme-repl-isnt-lisp.html
21:40 Sgeo: I guess the thing I don't get is, what about long-running programs?
21:41 samth: Sgeo, (a) we don't usually run long-running programs in DrRacket
21:41 samth: (b) Racket doesn't support changing definitions during a long-running program, generally
21:41 Sgeo: Are there any Schemes that do?
21:43 samth: Sgeo, yes
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