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04:28 swiftkick: whoa... it exists =)
04:29 swiftkick: im a total newb to scheme and lisp, but happened across racket via a cursory route resulting from a search for more information on L-system fractals...
04:31 swiftkick: which led me to fluxus...
04:31 swiftkick: which led me, ultimately, here.
04:33 swiftkick: observation: the uses to which fluxus is being put, seem a lot cooler than anything i can find currently being done with, say, squeak.
04:35 swiftkick: not to disparage the mighty squeak or anything. =)
04:36 swiftkick: i guess if someone reads this later, i should also include a plug for michael hvidtfeldt christensen and his program 'structure synth' which was one of the intermediate steps in the random walk thru hypertext-space that led me here.
04:36 swiftkick: ( http://blog.hvidtfeldts.net/index.php/generative-art-links/ )
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08:43 Blkt: good day everyone
08:46 yoklov: mornin
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08:53 shofetim: Has anyone used https://github.com/untyped/selenium ? I'm trying to but not having much luck...
08:57 shofetim: I can't seem to get a connection to the selenium server... though I know its running and can connect to it with other things.
09:00 yoklov: no idea :/  have you tried doing something like trying to access the tcp port through racket?  (if thats how selenium is accessed in the first place, i mean)
09:03 shofetim: I haven't tried a tcp connect in racket, but I can connect to the server with a browser.
09:03 yoklov: yeah, thats why i asked
09:04 yoklov: are you using the default port?  that page says the stuff assumes you're using port 4444 or whatever
09:04 shofetim: I'm downloading another client language library (PHP) and seeing if I can connect with that. I'll see if I can get a connection "by hand" in racket
09:04 shofetim: yup, 4444
09:05 yoklov: hrm
09:05 yoklov: it could always be the version of racket, i guess
09:07 shofetim: tcp-connect: connection to localhost, port 4444 failed (at step 6: Connection refused; errno=111)
09:07 shofetim: hummm
09:07 shofetim: whats errno 111?
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09:08 yoklov: hm
09:08 yoklov: tunnel connection failed maybe.
09:08 yoklov: assuming thats standard
09:08 yoklov: otherwise it means something specific in racket that i have no idea of
09:09 yoklov: can you connect to any ports on localhost?
09:09 shofetim: I can connect to 80
09:09 yoklov: via racket
09:09 yoklov: ?
09:09 shofetim: yes
09:09 yoklov: hm
09:10 shofetim: I'm thinking now that it must be something wrong with selenium. Though I don't know why I can connect with a browser and not with racket.
09:10 yoklov: is the server configured (i dont know if this is how this works) to accept connections?
09:10 shofetim: going to go read its man page some more... but it sure seems to be.
09:11 yoklov: weird
09:11 yoklov: can't help you :/
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09:20 yoklov: mathematicians need to use more symbols
09:21 yoklov: every class i'm taking right now has lambda meaning something totally different
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09:23 yoklov: thats not true, differential equations and linear algebra both have them meaning eigenvalues
09:23 yoklov: but still, computer science, physics, statistics… all totally different things
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09:50 yoklov: http://blog.fogus.me/2011/05/03/the-german-school-of-lisp-2/
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11:35 shofetim: I may have found a bug in racket, but this whole thing doesn't make sense...
11:35 shofetim: I have:
11:35 shofetim: (get-impure-port
11:35 shofetim: (string->url "http://localhost:4444/selenium-server/driver/?cmd=testComplete"))
11:35 shofetim: it always errors with:
11:35 shofetim: tcp-connect: connection to localhost, port 4444 failed (at step 6: Connection refused; errno=111)
11:36 yoklov: are you sure that the… uh… connection wasn't refused?
11:36 shofetim: But: I know the server is up and listening
11:36 shofetim: everything else but racket can connect
11:36 shofetim: browser, curl, libcurl, & PHP
11:36 yoklov: stuff can go wrong still :/  i dunno, in my experience when you have a bug in your program, its really rarely the language
11:37 yoklov: though
11:37 shofetim: At this point I'm guessing something isn't hanlding TCP correctly?
11:37 yoklov: i don't know, sounds possible
11:37 shofetim: but the program is just those two functions...
11:37 yoklov: look at the library for selenium
11:37 yoklov: see if it does anything weird
11:37 yoklov: in the code
11:37 shofetim: i would say that the selenium server has a tcp bug but everything else can connect to it....
11:38 shofetim: just those two expressions, in a freshly started racket
11:38 yoklov: yeah
11:38 yoklov: no iknow
11:38 shofetim: (btw the server should just send back an 'ok' and does for everything else...)
11:38 yoklov: maybe theres a hack in there that's supposed to make it work or something.
11:39 shofetim: I don't know tcp well enough to capture the packets and find whats weird
11:39 yoklov: yeah.  i dunno, maybe someone else here can help you :/
11:39 shofetim: not that I can find.... they just construct the url and send it, and parse the results
11:40 shofetim: : )
11:42 shofetim: It is hard to believe there is an error in rackets handling of TCP but when everything else can connect to it and rackets get-pure-port cant.... it just seems like their is something different going on.
11:43 shofetim: I believe there are different kinds of tcp handshakes? maybe racket only implements the "correct" one and the selenium rc server doesn't? but most other tools aren't as proper as racket?
11:43 shofetim: I don't know....
11:43 yoklov: eh
11:43 yoklov: i think there's just one
11:43 yoklov: syn -> ack -> syn-ack
11:43 yoklov: but maybe not.
11:44 yoklov: still though, from what i've heard you only have to worry about that at the /really/ low level
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12:13 shofetim: yoklov: does this help at all? I don't know TCP http://pastebin.com/djiX3evz
12:18 yoklov: yeah i have no idea what that means.
12:18 yoklov: as far as i can tell
12:18 yoklov: it doesn't apear to be giving any obvious errors
12:18 yoklov: i… couldn't tell you really what's going on there.
12:18 yoklov: i don't know tcp, just vaguely how it works
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12:24 shofetim: same here
12:24 shofetim: going to file a bug and see if untyped (they wrote the client library) have any ideas...
12:25 shofetim: bummer as I really wanted to write the tests in racket.
12:25 shofetim: The selenium guys have no idea either.
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12:32 yoklov: daarn
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13:27 shofetim: What seems to be the problem is that when I do a get-pure-port or the like for localhost it instead sends the request to my computers host name (zen)
13:35 shofetim: Is there some way to tell racket to explicitly use "localhost" instead of "zen" ? they should be aliases but some servers want the requested host to be specified... and apperently selenium is one of those hosts
13:35 shofetim: /etc/hosts has the line 127.0.0.1 zen localhost.localdomain localhost
13:36 jonrafkind: i dunno, but maybe explicitly using 127.0.0.1 would work?
13:37 shofetim: no luck the urls:
13:37 shofetim: http://localhost works
13:37 shofetim: http://zen doesn't work
13:38 shofetim: http://127.0.0.1 doesnt work
13:38 askhader: shofetim: I think you want the line 127.0.1.1 zen
13:38 askhader: In your /etc/hosts
13:38 askhader: Also the changes may not propogate to your browser right away
13:38 askhader: propagate rather
13:39 shofetim: changes seem to be near instant, but no luck with that either
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13:56 askhader: have you tried pinging zen?
13:57 shofetim: yes it responds
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14:00 ChibaPet: Out of curiosity, why is there no Debian package for Racket?
14:01 jonrafkind: there is supposedly, bremner_ makes it
14:01 jonrafkind: are you asking about the download page?
14:02 ChibaPet: It's not listed in the drop-down menu on http://racket-lang.org/download/ - was curious.
14:02 jonrafkind: ok im not sure, i dont control that page, maybe it can be added
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14:02 jonrafkind: eli, ^^
14:03 shofetim: There is a plt-scheme in the debian repos but its old.
14:03 jonrafkind: ChibaPet, theres a ppa if you are on ubuntu (but it doesnt have 5.1.1 yet)
14:03 ChibaPet: Yeah, saw that - no Ubuntu here though.
14:04 shofetim: FYI it compiles easily from source on debian squeeze. I don't think I needed any dependancies.
14:04 jonrafkind: the racket package should be in debian unstable
14:04 ChibaPet: It's not a huge issue - I don't mind building things from source. I was looking to see if there were package repositories for automated installation and update and such.
14:04 eli: jonrafkind: ?
14:04 shofetim: They would be nice : )
14:04 jonrafkind: eli, there is no debian package on the racket download page
14:05 eli: Of course there aren't/
14:05 eli: We
14:05 eli: 're not making any.
14:05 jonrafkind: yea, so why aren't you making any
14:06 eli: We have the shell installers.
14:06 jonrafkind: why isn't a shell installer made for debian
14:07 eli: Because there are no debian machines in the build pool.
14:07 ChibaPet: eli is a script?
14:08 eli: Yes.
14:08 ChibaPet: Is the build pool virtualized?
14:08 eli: No.
14:12 ChibaPet: So, what would be the most useful and efficient way for me to apply effort to cause a Debian package to be offered alongside the other official distributions?
14:14 eli: Have an always-available debian machine that can take a the daily performance hit in terms of cpu and bandwidth.  Should also be reliable (as in some dept machine).
14:15 shofetim: How much CPU and bandwidth?
14:15 ChibaPet: Bandwidth to serve packages to the public, or for communication with a build master? I could make a cloud server available for the latter.
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14:15 eli: Bandwidth for the build process only.
14:16 eli: Hold on, I'll give you the numbers
14:16 eli: The build starts with a full tree, which is a 17mb tar ball.
14:17 eli: And a fully built tree is copied back in the end.
14:17 eli: For the ubuntu build that's 45mb.
14:17 ChibaPet: Eli, did you get my private message? Pidgin is not yet my friend.
14:17 ChibaPet: Ah, never mind.
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14:28 shofetim: how can I tell tcp-connect to only use ipv6 addresses? or how do I connect to an ipv6 address with get-pure-port?
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15:06 bremner_: I could make a backport to squeeze once racket migrates to testing...
15:07 bremner_: jonrafkind, eli ^
15:09 ChibaPet: I'm setting up a place for Eli to build for Squeeze at the moment.
15:10 ChibaPet: The same for Lenny's in process as well.
15:10 ChibaPet: I don't see doing it for Wheezy being hugely useful.
15:10 bremner_: yeah, these are kind of parallel efforts, since I guess those packages are not really "Debian packages"
15:11 ChibaPet: Right - they're the random blobs offered on the project page.
15:11 bremner_: so it depends what people want...
15:11 ChibaPet: Backports seems like a good place, since Debian releases too slowly to usefully track anything that changes at even a moderate pace.
15:12 ChibaPet: I'm not a DD though.
15:12 bremner_: I am
15:13 ChibaPet: It's a goal for some future point.
15:13 ChibaPet: I'm wedging a Squeeze build onto Rackspace at the moment.
15:13 ChibaPet: Unfortunate that they don't offer it as a prebuilt.
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16:17 mithos28: Does the type Path in TR correspond to values which pass the path? predicate or either of the path? or path-for-some-system? predicates?
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17:07 pavpanchekha: hey, question about slideshows
17:08 pavpanchekha: I want to display a block of (tt)-formatted text
17:08 pavpanchekha: command line output
17:08 pavpanchekha: what's a good way, that'll preserve line breaks and alignment?
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17:19 pavpanchekha: anyone know how to display e.g. command line output
17:19 pavpanchekha: in the racket slideshow?
17:19 pavpanchekha: I need to preserve line breaks and alignment...
17:20 Counterspell: Is there a way to make emacs work like DrRacket? Have a buffer in one window and a REPL in another that loads the code in the buffer?
17:20 pavpanchekha: Counterspell: look up SLIME
17:20 Counterspell: thanks
17:20 pavpanchekha: Counterspell: also, the run-slime command has some basic functionality in this regard
17:20 pavpanchekha: (try describe-key on C-c when in the *scheme* buffer)
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17:36 bremner_: Counterspell: geiser is kindof like that.
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17:37 pavpanchekha: no one on putting command line output in slideshows?
17:38 jonrafkind: you can ask on the mailing list
17:38 pavpanchekha: mm
17:38 pavpanchekha: jonrafkind: alright, I'll do that.
17:38 pavpanchekha: jonrafkind: How trafficked is it?
17:39 jonrafkind: highly
17:39 pavpanchekha: jonrafkind: Ok
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17:47 yoklov: since people were just talking about emacs, is there a good way to edit racket in emacs?
17:48 yoklov: i didn't see a racket mode in elpa last i looked
17:49 yoklov: which was just now.
17:51 stamourv: mithos28: I believe it's path?
17:52 bremner_: yoklov: geiser is an emacs mode for racket and guile
17:52 stamourv: yeah, just checked, and that's the case
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18:02 stamourv: yoklov: quack is also nice, but not quite as sophisticated as geiser
18:02 stamourv: the paredit minor mode is also great to edit anything with parens, but it takes a bit of getting used to
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18:14 yoklov: thanks
18:15 yoklov: installing those things as we speak.
18:17 stamourv: also, foof added scheme keywords to eldoc, you can probably find that on his webpage
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19:36 mithos28: Does anyone know how to make a path object for windows on a unix racket? build-path/convention-type seems useless because strings are considered unix paths, and thus I cannot build a path containing anything but 'up' and 'same'.
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22:15 offby1: I think you just call "build-path", and it's platform-neutral.
22:16 offby1: rudybot: (build-path "/" "etc" "passwd")
22:16 rudybot: *offby1: your r5rs sandbox is ready
22:16 rudybot: *offby1: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: build-path in module: 'program
22:16 offby1: rudybot: init racket
22:16 rudybot: *offby1: your racket sandbox is ready
22:16 offby1: rudybot: (build-path "/" "etc" "passwd")
22:16 rudybot: *offby1: ; Value: #<path:/etc/passwd>
22:16 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path "/" "etc" "passwd"))
22:16 rudybot: *offby1: ; Value: "/etc/passwd"
22:17 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path/convention-type 'windows "/" "etc" "passwd"))
22:17 rudybot: *offby1: error: build-path/convention-type: specified convention incompatible with string path element: "/"
22:17 offby1: hmm
22:17 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path/convention-type 'windows "c:/" "etc" "passwd"))
22:17 rudybot: *offby1: error: build-path/convention-type: specified convention incompatible with string path element: "c:/"
22:17 (quit) masm: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
22:17 yoklov: oh its \
22:17 yoklov: C:\
22:18 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path/convention-type 'windows "c:\\" "etc" "passwd"))
22:18 rudybot: *offby1: error: build-path/convention-type: specified convention incompatible with string path element: "c:\\"
22:18 offby1: bah
22:18 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path/convention-type 'windows "" "etc" "passwd"))
22:18 rudybot: *offby1: error: build-path/convention-type: specified convention incompatible with string path element: ""
22:18 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path/convention-type 'windows  "etc" "passwd"))
22:18 rudybot: *offby1: error: build-path/convention-type: specified convention incompatible with string path element: "etc"
22:18 offby1: I give up
22:18 yoklov: hm
22:18 offby1: rudybot: (path->string (build-path/convention-type 'windows (current-directory) "etc" "passwd"))
22:18 rudybot: *offby1: error: build-path/convention-type: specified convention incompatible with given path element: #<path:/usr/local/src/rudybot/>
22:20 yoklov: it works fine on my pc
22:21 mithos28: offby1: I figured it out, you need to use string->some-system-path
22:23 mithos28: rudybot: (build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar") 'up))
22:23 rudybot: mithos28: Does anyone know how to make a path object for windows on a unix racket? build-path/convention-type seems useless because strings are considered unix paths, and thus I cannot build a path containing anything but 'up' and 'same'.
22:24 mithos28: rudybot: init racket
22:24 rudybot: mithos28: your racket sandbox is ready
22:24 mithos28: member:rudybot: (build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar") 'up))
22:24 mithos28: rudybot: build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar") 'up))
22:24 rudybot: mithos28: rudybot: (build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar") 'up))
22:24 yoklov: huh.  maybe that should be made more clear in the build-path/convention-type doc
22:25 mithos28: rudybot: (build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar") 'up))
22:25 rudybot: mithos28: rudybot: (build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar") 'up))
22:25 mithos28: ok I just cannot get the bot to work
22:26 eli: mithos28: Use "rudybot: eval ...blah..." to force it to eval stuff.
22:26 eli: (That will show you why it didn't guess that you're trying to eval stuff.)
22:26 yoklov: rudybot: init racket
22:26 rudybot: yoklov: your racket sandbox is ready
22:26 yoklov: rudybot: (build-path/convention-type 'windows (string->some-system-path "C:\\foo\\bar" 'windows) 'up)
22:26 rudybot: yoklov: ; Value: #<windows-path:C:\foo\bar\..>
22:26 yoklov: bahaha
22:27 mithos28: I see I had an extra )
22:27 eli: Yeah.
22:27 yoklov: and some-system-path takes another parameter
22:27 eli: And offby1 made it pull some random "relevant looking" answer when you say random stuff to it, and in this case it really didn't help.
22:28 (quit) dnolen: Quit: dnolen
22:28 eli: mithos28: Did you post some bug about it a short while ago?
22:31 mithos28: yes. But that was the documentation was misleading, it says it returns a value that meets the path? predicate
22:31 mithos28: and it doesn't always
22:31 mithos28: I have to go, thanks for the help
22:31 yoklov: np
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23:41 EM03: Any major plans for racket in the future?
23:41 EM03: Seems like development is pretty active
23:41 EM03: Also are the postgresql bindings for the most part thread safe?
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