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11:59 samth: jonrafkind, Typed Racket is certainly mature enough to be used by people
12:01 samth: yoklov, Typed Racket takes longer to start up because it typechecks your program before running it
12:01 samth: and the typechecking takes time
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12:26 stamourv: yoklov: but since typechecking is done at compile time, if you compile your program ahead of time (via raco make), you'll only pay that cost once
12:28 yoklov: hm
12:29 yoklov: so if you're making a compiled executable?
12:29 yoklov: or does this apply in compilation to bytecode too
12:29 stamourv: both
12:29 yoklov: i see
12:30 jonrafkind: a compiled executable is just the racket interpreter/compiler bundled with your bytecode
12:33 yoklov: huh, that makes sense.  i knew that was how some other languages did it
12:39 yoklov: i think the reason i thought it might be compiled to something else is because other schemes (chicken) do it that way.
12:40 yoklov: anyway, gotta go take an exam
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12:48 bremner_: it would be interesting to compare interactive typed/racket to e.g. ghci. my not scientific impression is that ghci is faster, but perhaps that applies to untyped racket as well. I'm not talking about program performance, just evaluating definitions.
12:49 jonrafkind: you mean compiling expressions?
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12:54 bremner_: maybe. I guess I mean the interval between hitting run in Dr. Racket (or in emacs) and the repl being ready to interact
12:57 samth: bremner_, ghc is definitely a faster typechecker
12:57 samth: we (stamourv and i) have worked on this, but there's still a long way to go
12:58 bremner_: of course, many person hours went in to that.  I just wondered if there was some systematic issue. Kind of the pessimists take on "languages as libraries" ;)
12:59 samth: bremner_, the tech in our paper definitely is a handicap, performance-wise
12:59 samth: but it isn't the primary one
12:59 samth: mostly we're just slow
12:59 bremner_: fair enough.
13:00 samth: but we also aren't planning to just leave that technology alone in the future
13:00 samth: so, i guess the message is, "TR is slow, we we're working on it, watch this space"
13:00 samth: or "is slower than we'd like"
13:01 samth: also "patches welcome!"
13:10 bremner_: heh. Always.
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13:38 samth: bremner_, particularly slow programs are also welcome
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15:17 pfox__: hey.. i have a newbie q: guide:racket vs htdp ..? benefits of one over the other?
15:17 pfox__: im looking for more of a intro idiomatic lisp programming.. i come from a c# background
15:17 pfox__: in the racket env
15:23 jonrafkind: htdp will give you a flavor for how to do recursive programming
15:24 jonrafkind: but it is rather beginner oriented
15:26 clklein: HTDP is meant to teach you to program. The Guide is meant to teach you Racket.
15:29 samth: pfox__, what clklein said.
15:29 clklein: You'll probably learn a lot from HTDP, but it won't be about what makes Racket special.
15:29 samth: from your background, it soundls like you'd benefit from starting with HtDP, although you may be able to go through it more quickly
15:36 pfox__: thanks for the feedback
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15:56 edw: Before I get too far working on this... Has anyone else done non-blocking I/O in Racket (under Unix)?
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15:57 samth: edw, you should ask on the mailing list
15:59 edw: OK. At the very least I'll search the list archives.
16:00 samth: edw, i don't think anyone's mentioned it
16:00 samth: but really, the list doesn't bite -- just send an email
16:01 edw: Ahh... Anxiety... I already belong to Gambit and S48's mailing lists!
16:05 samth: do they bite?
16:07 edw: Haha. No. I just have commitment issues.
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16:42 edw: Racket's FFI is kinda nice.
16:43 samth: edw, eli did a *very* nice job
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16:43 edw: My brain started hurting when I starting thinking about what the c-type constructor for select(2) would be, but that's not the FFI's fault.
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17:11 collin: hi all..i was just wondering if say a module is written in #lang racket could use a module written in another language implement "in racket" (like static racket fe.)
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17:12 jonrafkind: yea you can do that
17:34 rekahsoft: jonrafkind: sweet :P i thought so (because of the way racket is designed) but i just wanted to verify :P thanks :D
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21:55 yoklov1: hm, there's no two argument atan for flonums, theres not some clever way to do this, is there?
21:55 yoklov1: tried defining it myself and its slower than normal atan
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