00:05 Demosthenes: any geiser users know why autodoc doesn't seem ot work?
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06:31 bremner_: Demosthenes: what do you expect autodoc to do for you?
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09:21 edw: Hi guys. I'm looking to do non-blocking TCP I/O in racket. Am I going to need to be writing C glue to make that happen or are there sufficiently primitive procedures available? (I'm looking at the TCP module, and things aren't looking good.)
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09:33 edw: OK, an easier question: In the REPL, how can I get the value of the most reently evaluated expression?
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10:01 bremner_: edw: look for readline on doc.racket-lang.org
10:02 bremner_: oh, maybe not exactly what you meant
10:03 edw: bremner_: I got pointed to this over on #scheme: http://barzilay.org/misc/interactive.rkt
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11:14 samth: edw, if the TCP module doesn't support what you want, you can probably bind to a C library without writing any C yourself
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11:30 edw: samth: Thanks for the info.
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11:46 edw: Is there a decent source of documentation for Racket that includes all the factory-shipped modules in a relatively sane form?
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11:51 bremner_: you don't find doc.racket-lang.org sane?
11:53 edw: What is that?
11:53 edw: Oh, that.
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11:54 edw: Sane-ish. But it seems to distinguish between R5RS stuff vs Racket extensions, which is irrelevant if you're just trying to find the right procedure or macro.
11:54 samth: probably it will work better at docs.racket-lang.org
11:54 samth: and no, it doesn't so distinguish
11:54 samth: what do you mean?
11:55 bremner_: samth: doc.r.o works, fwiw
11:55 samth: oh hey, that url works too :)
11:55 samth: you learn something new everyday
11:56 edw: OMG. You're right. DISPLAY is in there, and WRITE, and so forth...
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11:57 samth: the racket reference and guide are comprehensive -- they discuss everything regardless of whether it's in some other language as well
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12:02 yoklov: in my experience, the racket reference can be remarkably unhelpful sometimes, the guide's pretty good but doesn't cover everything
12:02 yoklov: if something's not well documented, I usually try to see if i can find where it's implemented in the collects, or a program that uses whatever thing I'm trying to do
12:03 yoklov: but that might just be because I don't have the background necessary to understand the reference
12:06 samth: yoklov, do you have examples of parts of the reference that aren't helpful?
12:07 samth: often it's very terse, and you need to already understand what's going on to see what it says
12:08 yoklov: that, often the case, but there have been a few times that even if I know what a given function does, I can tell its really unhelpful if you dont. hold on, i'll find an example
12:08 bremner_ bows before mflatt's amazing debugging abilities
12:09 samth: bremner_, we all do
12:11 yoklov: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/pairs.html?q=equal#(def._((lib._racket/private/base..rkt)._remove)) like there, the examples for remove, remq, and remv all take the same input and return the same output.  dunno, I mean its not a big deal, and its pretty easy to find what they mean (at least, in that case), but sometimes its just a bit… vague.
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12:15 samth: yoklov, i'll try to improve those examples
12:15 samth: in general, feel free to submit documentation patches to explain things that aren't clear
12:17 yoklov: hm, how?
12:17 yoklov: or at least, where
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12:22 samth: yoklov, the documentation is here: https://github.com/plt/racket/blob/master/collects/scribblings/reference/pairs.scrbl (for that page)
12:22 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/3tjnpdq
12:22 samth: you can send patches to the racket development list
12:22 samth: dev@racket-lang.org
12:23 yoklov: hm
12:23 yoklov: thanks
12:23 yoklov: i doubt that i'll ever do it, or at least not till i know more about programming, but its still a good thing to know
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12:31 samth: mithos28, thanks for all the patches!
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13:43 samth: yoklov, i've added more examples
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14:46 clklein: What is a tag?
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14:58 yoklov: is there any way to do curses-like text user interfaces in racket?
15:01 yoklov: alternatively, is there any way to do fast gui stuff? I've taken a look at some of the example games, and they still run wicked hot on my laptop despite being fairly minimal.
15:02 yoklov: or is this the sorta thing that racket's not all that good for
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15:15 carleastlund: yoklov, I imagine you can use the FFI to use a standard C curses library from Racket.  And as for GUI speed, you'll probably get better performance using something like openGL directly rather than going through the racket/gui library, which is what those games use.  It's written for flexibility and portability, not primarily for speed.
15:16 carleastlund: That said, there are probably ways to write with racket/gui that are more efficient than others.  I doubt the games are particularly well optimized in that respect.
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15:16 yoklov: hm
15:17 yoklov: yeah, i knew i could do ffi, but I'm not particularly familiar with c
15:18 carleastlund: It's quite possible someone has already written an FFI layer for curses in Racket, but I'm not aware of one myself.
15:18 stamourv: as for openGL, there's a racket wrapper for it
15:18 stamourv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/sgl/main.html?q=sgl
15:19 stamourv: I believe there's also a planet package that provides a higher-level interface
15:19 yoklov: hm
15:20 yoklov: thanks, I guess I hadn't considered that
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23:17 Demosthenes: so i was looking at using match and regexp for parsing, sounds neat...
23:17 Demosthenes: but it fell apart when i considered a multiline-record in a list
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