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01:11 Demosthenes: thats wild. i can use call-with-transaction when in geiser, but in my script using same syntax, it tells me to open a connection first
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03:48 Nanakhiel: samth, but in CPS, call/cc does become a pure function, right?
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10:37 philo_: any one working on an llvm binding for racket ?
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11:44 clklein: jeapostrophe: It's very nice to have DrDr running smoothly again (even if a build now takes longer). It's a little hard to imagine how we ever survived without it.
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12:04 samth: jeapostrophe, why is drdr so much slower now?
12:04 jeapostrophe: the graphics tests are serialized
12:04 jeapostrophe: it fixed a few of the gui test problems
12:04 jeapostrophe: i can't seem to get a fake server working, so i have to use a real one
12:04 jeapostrophe: but that means they can't share it because most of the tests rely on focus
12:09 samth: jeapostrophe, but the focus problems are still there: http://drdr.racket-lang.org/21788/collects/tests/drracket/language-test.rkt
12:09 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/2f7w8of
12:18 samth: also, jeapostrophe, does that mean that switching things that don't require focus to use `racket' instead of `gracket' would be useful?
12:20 jeapostrophe: yes
12:20 jeapostrophe: and yes the problem is still there. robby now thinks it is really a problem with his tests
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12:47 mheld: hey y'all
12:48 mheld: is there STM support in Racket?
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13:01 philo_: mhelp not an expert but not in the default lib
13:01 philo_: standard  i meant
13:02 philo_: thinking about something is in clojure i suppose ?
13:03 jeapostrophe: mheld: there is none, i'm interested in doing it, but i'm probably not super qualified to
13:03 jeapostrophe: my preference is for cml as an abstraction anyways
13:04 clklein: I vaguely recall a paper about STM at the '09 Scheme workshop. I think it was Racket related.
13:04 philo_: jeapostrophe: cml ?
13:05 jeapostrophe: clklein: Distributed Software Transactional Memory by Anthony Cowley
13:05 jeapostrophe: it says it is in PLT
13:05 jeapostrophe: mheld: look that up, he says it is implemented
13:05 jeapostrophe: philo_: concurrent ml. look up the event and sync interface in the manual for concurrency
13:06 clklein: jeapostrophe: Thanks, that's the one.
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13:07 philo_: jeapostrophe:  arent those much more low level than stm ?
13:08 jeapostrophe: i don't think so. i prefer to create an explicit client/server thread for a resource, then write functions that present the client as if it is a normal function and have it communicate behind the scenes to the atomic server
13:08 jeapostrophe: similar to the "kill-safe synchronization abstractions" paper
13:10 philo_: jeapostrophe: the function abstraction you decribe is what should be expose... or at lest a mecanism to build those effectively
13:11 philo_: i THINK that's how agent works in clojure , no ?
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13:13 philo_: so no one working on a llvm bindings  ?
13:14 jeapostrophe: i think they've been written twice
13:14 jeapostrophe: but the racket vm uses gnu lightning for jit-ing
13:15 philo_: googling got me nothing, do you have a link ?
13:15 jeapostrophe: there's one in the old plt svn repo
13:15 philo_: compatible with the latest racket ?
13:16 jeapostrophe: no idea
13:19 philo_: thanks
13:44 samth: jeapostrophe, philo_, the old llvm bindings do not now (and didn't ever) really work
13:44 philo_: samth:  thanks
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20:26 jonrafkind: this is a nice history of haskell, it would be nice to have a simlar thing for racket: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1238856&CFID=3191531&CFTOKEN=40936281
20:26 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/2eaoz8r
20:26 jonrafkind: but maybe a few years should pass first..
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22:21 lotrsimp12345: hey i am trying to integrate racket with C++
22:21 lotrsimp12345: running into problems
22:22 lotrsimp12345: any suggestions?
22:23 lotrsimp12345: i have windows
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