00:07 (join) jonrafkind
01:57 (quit) Gwyth: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
02:17 (quit) Eren: Read error: Operation timed out
02:18 Demosthenes: right, so i've been trying the log thing because i prefer not to have to add printf's and remove them....
02:18 Demosthenes: eli: i tried using that snippet, something in the defcommand didn't take, it didn't like the embbedded define
02:21 jonrafkind: you can use a macro to add printf's that you dont want to exist at runtime
02:22 Demosthenes: *sigh* yeah, but i'm in the repl and trying to turn on and off debugging in real time
02:23 Demosthenes: and the default logger doesn't look like it can be modified, you have to start racket with special command line flags or environment vars
02:23 jonrafkind: so have some runtime switch to turn on your own loggers
02:23 jonrafkind: (if verbose? (printf ...) (void))
02:23 Demosthenes: looks like logging uses async events, and really, i'm brand new to the language
02:24 Demosthenes: yeah, just trying to use what's there first.
02:24 Demosthenes: then i looked at log4scm, which appears to be offline (at least the docs)
02:24 Demosthenes: its the whole reinvent the wheel thing. i thought it was cool that the languge included a logging system... which i can't modify :P
02:25 eli: Demosthenes: Why did you use `defcommand'?  The ,log command that I was talking about is part of the whole thing, which you can use as is.
02:26 Demosthenes: eli: i was just hoping the pull the minimum needed.
02:28 eli: Demosthenes: In that case you should look at the code inside that `defcommand' -- but `defcommand' in itself is the way my thing adds toplevel commands, so obviously it won't work by itself.
02:28 eli: But the whole thing is intended to be pretty light-weight in terms of using it.
02:28 Demosthenes: ah
02:28 Demosthenes: yeah, i read it, still greek to me :P
02:29 eli: (BTW, that log4scm thing is ancient, and the guy who wrote it didn't update things for ages.)
02:29 Demosthenes: *nod*
02:29 eli: In any case, if it's greek, then I think that it's better to just stick with the whole thing as is.
02:29 Demosthenes: i figured when it was rolled into base, it wasn't relevant anymore
02:29 eli: Otherwise you can just look at things that are used in there and slowly make your way through the documentation about the various bits.
02:32 Demosthenes: bleah, if there were a wayto just step through code in emacs , i'd likely not bother.
02:32 Demosthenes: i'll revert to print/display/similar for now, just a pita :P
02:34 eli: Stepping won't help much when threads are involved.
02:34 eli: Can you be more specific about what prevents you from using the whole thing as is?
02:35 Demosthenes: just thought the program ought to be self-contained. at the start, specify the log level in code, if it saw something odd, bump it up dynamically. leave all the log statements in and properly graded...
02:36 Demosthenes: i didn't think it an odd use case, coming across languages. yep, i get its an advanced topic... unfortunately i thought it'd be minor or pretty quick being a builtin instead of a bolt-on
02:36 Demosthenes: CL had no decent logging, log5 was kinda eh... and also a pita to setup
02:37 Demosthenes: lib dependencies, asdf, etc. :P
02:37 Demosthenes: just trying not to reinvent the wheel
02:37 eli: re "self-contained" -- you're still relying on a bunch of libraries, think about this as yet another one.
02:38 eli: re "if it saw something odd" -- are you saying that when something goes wrong then it starts spitting out log messages?  That would be a pretty odd thing to do.
02:38 Demosthenes: say you're prompting text in a menu, it'd be easy to ask the user if they wanted to adjust the log level
02:38 Demosthenes: the goal was to do it on the fly, not restart
02:39 eli: "prompting text in a menu"?
02:39 Demosthenes: ie: console app? choice 1 does x, choice 2 does y, come back to main menu...
02:39 Demosthenes: i didn't think it was odd.
02:40 eli: Sorry, I'm still not following that...
02:40 (quit) Fare: Quit: Leaving
02:40 Demosthenes: heck, everyone seems to try and duplicate log4j, which allows crazy things like files in the user's home dir to adjust logging on the fly during execution
02:40 Demosthenes: thats ok, not worth the time
02:41 Demosthenes: i already wasted my evening chasing it down, trying to do it the "proper" way using what's in the lang without introducing a dependency..... i'll just make my own.
02:41 Demosthenes: otherwise geiser has been pretty neat, its been a great way to overcome the minor sytnax issues while converting mentally over from CL ;]
02:42 eli: I know little about log4j beyond "some java logging thing" (but wiring log output into files would be easy).
02:42 Demosthenes: you ought to read up on it sometime, log4j is just crazy what it can do
02:42 Demosthenes: and way overkill
02:42 Demosthenes: night ;]
02:42 eli: As for what you're trying to do, I still can't figure out if you want some user action (menu?) to start logging, or some code that starts to log itself when it detects that something is wrong.
02:43 eli: (I prefer smaller functionality that can be generalized easily for the crazy stuff instead of some huge over-engineered API.)
02:47 (quit) jonrafkind: Ping timeout: 272 seconds
04:10 (join) hanDerPeder
06:42 (join) lucian
06:54 (join) b-man_
07:28 (quit) lucian: Remote host closed the connection
07:58 (join) lucian
07:59 (quit) lucian: Client Quit
08:17 (quit) cinch: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
08:19 (join) cinch
08:27 (join) masm
08:32 (quit) b-man_: Remote host closed the connection
08:39 (quit) em: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
08:49 (join) em
08:52 (quit) jao: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
08:53 Demosthenes: eli: i think an excellent example is simply raising the log level (say from errors to info) in one piece of code only ;]
09:01 (quit) em: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
09:22 (join) em
09:25 (join) b-man_
09:29 (quit) xian: Remote host closed the connection
09:43 (nick) samth_away -> samth
10:04 (quit) em: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
10:19 (join) em
10:25 (join) MayDaniel
10:34 (quit) cinch: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
11:07 (quit) b-man_: Remote host closed the connection
11:10 (quit) asumu: Read error: No route to host
11:20 (join) anRch
11:33 (join) sstrickl
11:36 samth: jeapostrophe, something is wrong with the drdr machine
11:36 sstrickl: yeah
11:36 sstrickl: I was just about to send an email about that to him
11:37 samth: an email would be good too
11:37 sstrickl: well, sorry, am still sending an email to him about it :)
11:37 jeapostrophe: why do you say that?
11:37 samth: (gracket:19682): Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 28 (No space left on device)
11:38 jeapostrophe: why do you think that is a problem with the machine?
11:41 jeapostrophe: all my /proc/sys/kernel/shm* limits are very high
11:41 jeapostrophe: ulimit is not imposing anything on that either
11:43 sstrickl: Well, while it's possible that the conversion of struct/c from a flat (sometimes unsound) contract to a sometimes higher-order contract might have increased memory usage, I have not seen that locally in my own testing of that change and my usage of DrRacket afterwards, and so I'd be surprised if my commit caused that in itself.
11:44 jeapostrophe: i doubt your commit caused it but it seems like a latent problem in gr2
11:44 sstrickl: Right
11:45 sstrickl: That was the biggest thing I was concerned about, whether I'd caused it, but couldn't see how.
11:45 sstrickl: Hopefully Matthew checks it out then
11:52 (quit) clklein: Remote host closed the connection
11:57 (join) lucian
12:00 (join) jkjljkl
12:00 jkjljkl: Can racket be downloaded on ubuntu?
12:00 jkjljkl: It's not in apt-get
12:00 jkjljkl: It's not in aptitude
12:01 jeapostrophe: It can be downloaded everywhere:
12:01 jeapostrophe: http://www.racket-lang.org/download/
12:01 jkjljkl: It only contains an old plt-scheme version.
12:01 Demosthenes: i compiled it, it was short and sweet.
12:07 (join) asumu
12:11 (quit) shofetim: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)
12:11 (quit) MayDaniel: 
12:20 (join) clklein
12:20 (quit) asumu: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
12:27 (quit) hanDerPeder: Quit: hanDerPeder
12:33 (quit) anRch: Quit: anRch
12:34 (quit) lucian: Remote host closed the connection
12:43 (join) jonrafkind
12:46 Demosthenes: hrm, it appears that scheme doesn't have any/every/some
12:47 jeapostrophe: maybe ormap/andmap is what you want
12:48 Demosthenes: ooo!
12:48 (quit) tv|z: Ping timeout: 265 seconds
12:48 Demosthenes: have i mentioned scheme folks are much more polite... #lisp is harsh.
12:50 (join) tv|z
12:51 clklein: We're so polite that we don't even point out that we're Racket folks.
12:51 clklein: oops :)
13:01 (join) mceier
13:04 (join) jao
13:07 (join) hanDerPeder
13:16 jkjljkl: Hmm, interesting that there appear to be subcultures on freenode.
13:29 (quit) sstrickl: Quit: sstrickl
13:29 (join) Sonicvan1Jr
13:29 (part) Sonicvan1Jr
13:40 (join) carleastlund
13:47 (join) asumu
13:51 (join) MayDaniel
14:42 (quit) MayDaniel: 
14:51 (join) outworlder
14:51 (part) outworlder
14:52 (quit) asumu: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
15:09 (join) anRch
15:10 (join) traviscline
15:11 traviscline: why do I get both a DrScheme and a DrRacket with current racket?
15:12 jonrafkind: for backwards compatibility, they are the same, afaik
15:13 traviscline: thanks
15:13 (part) traviscline: "part"
15:15 (join) jsj
15:20 (quit) abbe: Quit: abbe
15:20 (quit) jkjljkl: Quit: Page closed
15:21 (join) abbe
15:21 (quit) abbe: Changing host
15:21 (join) abbe
15:53 (quit) jsj: Read error: Operation timed out
15:59 (join) jsj
16:04 (quit) mceier: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
16:04 (join) mceier
16:11 (join) sstrickl
16:17 (quit) anRch: Quit: anRch
16:41 (join) lucian
17:16 (join) mkscrg
17:17 (part) mkscrg: "Leaving..."
17:58 (quit) hanDerPeder: Quit: hanDerPeder
18:27 (quit) Demosthenes: Quit: leaving
19:13 (join) shofetim
19:31 (join) Demosthenes
19:32 (quit) masm: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
19:39 (join) masm
19:52 (join) jeapostrophe_
19:52 (quit) jeapostrophe_: Client Quit
20:07 (quit) jsj: Read error: Connection reset by peer
20:10 (join) cinch-
20:25 (nick) samth -> samth_away
20:25 (quit) mceier: Quit: leaving
20:31 (nick) cinch- -> cinch
20:32 (quit) lucian: Remote host closed the connection
20:45 (quit) jonrafkind: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
20:49 (quit) lisppaste: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
21:12 (quit) Demosthenes: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
21:22 (join) Gwyth
21:27 (quit) carleastlund: Quit: carleastlund
21:42 (join) b-man_
21:47 (quit) b-man_: Remote host closed the connection
22:32 (quit) sstrickl: Quit: sstrickl
22:34 (quit) masm: Quit: Leaving.
22:48 (part) shofetim: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"
23:10 (quit) Gwyth: Ping timeout: 240 seconds