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09:15 jay-mccarthy: clklein: thanks, i think it is bacj
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12:19 clklein: jay-mccarthy: I love how fast DrDr catches up with the new parallel builds!
12:19 jay-mccarthy: ya
12:19 jay-mccarthy: it's pretty amazing compared to where it was
12:19 jay-mccarthy: i got my first different architecture drdr machine today
12:19 jay-mccarthy: an openbsd sparc64 server :P
12:20 clklein: oh, awesome!
12:20 writer: cool :-), congrats!!
12:20 clklein: No one even builds on sparc routinely at the moment, right?
12:20 jay-mccarthy: correct
12:21 clklein: I take it that's how you chose this machine
12:21 jay-mccarthy: correct
12:21 sstrickl: jay-mccarthy: BTW, do you have someone handling specs and such for the OS X machine, or do you still need someone to do that?
12:21 jay-mccarthy: no one builds on sparc, no one builds on non-x86 64 bit, and openbsd is weird
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12:22 jay-mccarthy: sstrickl: i'm going to upgrade my workstation and use my old workstation as the build machine
12:22 sstrickl: okay
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12:57 clklein: Any plans for a PPC DrDr?
12:57 jay-mccarthy: i only plan on buying a windows machine and a x86 os x machine
12:57 clklein: or is its name "Vincent"
12:57 jay-mccarthy: any other machines will have to come from the community/etc
12:58 sstrickl: we have plenty of PPC machines we could ship to you; take our old Macs, please!
12:58 clklein: PPC machines are probably hard to buy now anyway. You'd probably need to resort to eBay or something.
12:59 sstrickl: clklein: we have a plethora of them around here still, even though luckily no one's actually using any due to the influx of Mac minis we have now
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13:01 clklein: maybe shipping one would be worthwhile. But I don't know how much maintenance another DrDr machine would be
13:01 jay-mccarthy: sstrickl: put it in a box and send it
13:02 jay-mccarthy: currently there's only one so i have no idea how much maintenance any more are :)
13:02 sstrickl: I'll talk to Matthias about it
13:04 jonrafkind: ill trade an old ppc machine for a newer mac mini :)
13:05 sstrickl: jay-mccarthy: he's okay with it, and we still have the boxes, so if you give me your address, we'll send it out your way when I get it packed and such.
13:06 jay-mccarthy: send it to the address on https://cs.byu.edu/department_information
13:06 jay-mccarthy: with Jay McCarthy first
13:06 sstrickl: got it
13:07 jonrafkind: this is a vaguely interesting git workflow: http://nvie.com/git-model
13:08 sstrickl: that's the kind of workflow, at first glance, that I suggested at Reflex and we used for a while once we tried to pin down development vs. release
13:10 sstrickl: it works well, but we had the benefit of having a QA department that could safeguard the merging of feature branches into the main branch(es) and ensure that the branches fixed issues or added features without backtracking on quality
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14:13 samth: has anyone gotten racket to build with clang?
14:14 jonrafkind: i thought you did..?
14:15 samth: i did, but that required making some changes to the source
14:15 jonrafkind: right.. well I can update my local clang and try it I guess
14:15 samth: but i know that matthew committed some changes related to that independently
14:15 samth: i just tried, and it fails in gmp
14:16 clklein: Out of curiosity, what's the motivation?
14:16 samth: it's faster, and might (or might not) generate better code
14:16 samth: also, it gives better error messages
14:16 tewk: configure line?
14:17 samth: CC=clang ../configure
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14:18 samth: ok, it's working better now that i changed it to CC='clang -fheinous-gnu-extensions'
14:19 jonrafkind: lsat I checked, clang was actually slower than gcc
14:19 jonrafkind: also it might be worthwhile to use gnu gold instead of gnu ld
14:19 jonrafkind: in my tests, gold is 2.5x faster than ld
14:19 samth: the link stage is pretty quick for racket
14:20 clklein: Slow linkers never seemed like the bottleneck in my life, but maybe I haven't been paying attention.
14:20 samth: it turns out that some people have applications that spend an hour linking
14:20 samth: thankfully, we aren't them
14:21 tewk: ../../../../../src/racket/gc/libatomic_ops/src/atomic_ops/sysdeps/gcc/x86_64.h:129:9: error: unsupported inline asm: input with type 'int' matching output with type 'unsigned char'
14:21 jonrafkind: thats funny, i just read a blog post about why C/C++ compilers are so slow
14:21 samth: ah, i'm saved by my 32-bit machine
14:21 jonrafkind: http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2010/08/c_compilation_s.html
14:22 jonrafkind: mostly seems to be about parsing issues
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14:46 clklein: The article's reason #1 seems suspicious.
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18:21 jonrafkind: racket manuals really need a full text search, not just identifier search
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18:29 samth: jonrafkind, try google :)
18:30 jonrafkind: I guess, but thats only for the racket-lang.org website, and its not integrated
18:30 jonrafkind: I think I was supposed to integrate it a while ago, or something
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